Comments on: You Be The Judge

The Weekly Standard: Obama Campaign Focuses On Candidate's "Super-Human" Judgment

[samthetvcat]

---"Sam, although Obama says his anti-war stance evinces good policy judgment, believing him requires blind faith."---
Posted by darrren12000

No it doesn''t - it requires research into the rationales for the three candidates.

Barack said "But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I''m opposed to dumb wars."

Hillary said, %u201CIt is clear%u2026that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.%u201D

McCain said, "I believe that we can win an overwhelming victory in a very short period of time."

[getcentered]

Hillary supported NAFTA, the war in Iraq, and now she wants to cut gas tax for a few months even after economist say it won''t help most Americans.

"Expert Support For Gas Tax Holiday Appears Nonexistent"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/30/expert-support-for-gas-ta_n_99474.html

Hillary might talk a good game but she makes the wrong decisions....

I want a really, really smart person in the White House......so Obama is who I support. I hope Obama wins in Indy and in NC, then we can put this mess to rest and get on with what matters like the war in Iraq and our energy problems.....also I like Obama%u2019s deportment...and I think that it is important for bringing people together....which is what America needs right now....

My hopes and dreams of a united country are with Barack Obama.

FYI: Obama just won the Guam delegates.

[rashidah1]

Do we want a confirmed liar in the White House (as distinct from someone who ''misspoke'')?
Do we want a war monger in the White House - even if he was a POW?
If we answer ''no'' to both questions, there''s only one rational choice for Americans: Barack Obama.
Don''t let all the media sideshows --- Rev. Wright, lapel pins, accusations of elitism, etc. -- fool you.
As we say in school: let''s get back to basics: HONESTY, COMMITMENT, LEADERSHIP.
That''s Barack Obama -- the rest is manipulation by the competitors, aided and abetted by cable news media who love this as much as they would another O.J. trial.

[paris1969]

Hillary voted for the Iraq war like the majority of senators and congresspeople ... but she never sat in Rev Wright''s church for 20+years and then expected his radical-hate-mongering-minister to "white-it-up" for the voters ... so who has the better judgment?

[ranger1948]

twotraps
NO. Clinton is the lesser of three evils in this case.
I don''t care how many ******** Bill got in the White House. He left office with an outstanding economy. I think Hillarym was running things while Bill was uh preoccupoed.

[ranger1948]

fblack7
I take it your cocaine sales are going rather well.

[darrren12000]

Sam, although Obama says his anti-war stance evinces good policy judgment, believing him requires blind faith. We will never know the position he would have taken as a US Senator planning to run for president. We cannot prove that Obama would have defied the president and his security advisors, UK/Tony Blair, CIA, vast majority of the House, 80 percent of the Senate, media outlets, and public opinion. His resume fails to demonstrate such vast political courage and independence, but it does show that he has taken and modified positions for political gain. He voted 3 times for a "gas tax holiday" in Illinois due to voter demands, but now waffles in order to cast Clinton and McCain as %u201CWashington%u201D politicians. He blasts Clinton over NAFTA in %u201Crust-belt%u201D states, but their positions on trade are virtually identical.

Finally, the notion that Clinton cannot engage in complex analysis is absurd. Even her critics agree that Clinton has an excellent grasp of intricate social policy. She has campaigned largely on her deep policy expertise. Her critics, however, originally said this was %u201Ccold%u201D and %u201Cuninspiring%u201D; Obama said that %u201Cwords matter,%u201D and the media claimed viewers demanded they obsess over the religious-like rallies. Now that %u201Cbitterness%u201D and Rev. Wright have derailed his message of hope and change, Obama wants to become a %u201Cpolicy man.%u201D Ironic.

[bluestardad]

Obama supporters have fallen into the politically destructive habit of seeing what they want to see as opposed to what really is.


HEY WEEKLY STANDARD...SORT OF LIKE MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! WAR ON THE CHEAP! THE SURGE IS WORKING!
MAKING PROGRESS IN IRAQ! JUST SIX MORE MONTHS! SUPPORT THE TROOPS! NO BODY ARMOR! NO MILITARY HEALTH CARE! YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US! MUSHROON CLOUD! NO ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE!

IF YOU NEOCON REPUBICANS CAN GET OUT OF THE MENS BATHROOM STALLS LONG ENOUGH TO TAKE A LOOK AROUND BAGHDAD BOB IS WORKING FOR YOU AS YOUR MOUTHPIECE!

START WAR CRIMES TRIALS NOW!

AMERICA STAND UP OR SHUT UP!

[monmacent]

There are a great many who are of the intelligent reasoning that have come out in support and endorsement of Barack Obama. It takes a majority of these Americans to see and have Barack Obama as the nominee and then elected as the next President of the United States of America. There are to many Americans of the mentality of sheep and cows grazing in the fields across America that will prevent America from having a great man like Barack Obama as the next President of the United States of America.

[elevando]

I too believe that Obama has "wonderful judgement," and he will have enough sense to drop out of the race after he loses in both NC and Indiana next Tuesday. He will leave because he will have seen that he has lost momentum and that his campaign manager, David Axelrod, is ripping apart the democtatic party at the seams with his divisive politics.

[seanoneill5]

It seems the author is confusing judgment with political shrewdness. He conscpicuously ducks giving any examples of poor judgment; to do so would belie his prejudice. If one defines "judgment" as what will "play well"; ie if good judgment means acting in folksy in North Carolina, promoting gas sprees to buy votes, playing on fear, prejudice and ignorance to rally the electorate, then stick with Billary and the old style politicians. If "judgment" means opposing an unjust war at a time when such a stance was dramatically unpopopular, refusing to stoop to smears, ackoweldgeing one''s mistakes, and seeing today''s world through suitably multicultural eyes that abhor race and culture branding, then you''ll stick with the frontrunner- he''s there for good reason.

[fblack7]

You guys have just such deep-seated racism that it is sickening! This man has said that he hadn''t heard comments by Rev. Wright that were so offensive...his attendance record in the Senate PROVED it, yet you keep pinning it on him. While Clinton(s) have been PROVEN to be ball-faced liars, but you take her lying *** "at her word" that she was tired and simply mis-spoke. What BS! This is precisely why American couldn''t stand the words of Rev wright - you just don''t want to hear the truth. Deal is: the Jews, and I love my Jewish brothers and sisters, can have a day of Holocaust remembrance, but if we dare even mention slavery we''re told to ''get over it"! Americans can accept criticism of everyone else, but not of America.
I actually wish Clinton wins this race and screws these poor, uneducated simpletons like a .25 ***!
Black folks will continue to do well - we always have. Truth is, me, my waterfront Florida home, my five vehicles and my Carolina vacation home will be ok. In fact, it would be great to get another white BS''er in the WHITEhouse for another 4 years -- hell the last 8 have been great for me!

[fblack7]

You guys have just such deep-seated racism that it is sickening! This man has said that he hadn''t heard comments by Rev. Wright that were so offensive...his attendance record in the Senate PROVED it, yet you keep pinning it on him. While Clinton(s) have been PROVEN to be ball-faced liars, but you take her lying *** "at her word" that she was tired and simply mis-spoke. What BS! This is precisely why American couldn''t stand the words of Rev wright - you just don''t want to hear the truth. Deal is: the Jews, and I love my Jewish brothers and sisters, can have a day of Holocaust remembrance, but if we dare even mention slavery we''re told to ''get over it"! Americans can accept criticism of everyone else, but not of America.
I actually wish Clinton wins this race and screws these poor, uneducated simpletons like a .25 ***!
Black folks will continue to do well - we always have. Truth is, me, my waterfront Florida home, my five vehicles and my Carolina vacation home will be ok. In fact, it would be great to get another white BS''er in the WHITEhouse for another 4 years -- hell the last 8 have been great for me!

[fblack7]

You guys have just such deep-seated racism that it is sickening! This man has said that he hadn''t heard comments by Rev. Wright that were so offensive...his attendance record in the Senate PROVED it, yet you keep pinning it on him. While Clinton(s) have been PROVEN to be ball-faced liars, but you take her lying *** "at her word" that she was tired and simply mis-spoke. What BS! This is precisely why American couldn''t stand the words of Rev wright - you just don''t want to hear the truth. Deal is: the Jews, and I love my Jewish brothers and sisters, can have a day of Holocaust remembrance, but if we dare even mention slavery we''re told to ''get over it"! Americans can accept criticism of everyone else, but not of America.
I actually wish Clinton wins this race and screws these poor, uneducated simpletons like a .25 ***!
Black folks will continue to do well - we always have. Truth is, me, my waterfront Florida home, my five vehicles and my Carolina vacation home will be ok. In fact, it would be great to get another white BS''er in the WHITEhouse for another 4 years -- hell the last 8 have been great for me!

[DCropp]

Hillary''s judgement?

She said she will "obliterate" Iran.

The next day, she agrees with McCain that Americans should be given 18 cents per gallon tax break for 14 months.
More driving means more money for oil rich terrorist countries like Iran. This money is used to Americans.

Gas tax holiday would go into effect before the oil company windfall profits tax. That means 330,000 highway workers would be laid off immediately. It also means roads would not be repaired during the summer. The results would be devastating and felt for years.

Prior to Hillary''s suggestion for a gas tax holiday, she had already budgeted for the oil company windfall tax going to health care. Now, she''s saying she will use it for both?

Hillary''s response to criticism from every economist in America was to quote George W. Bush "are you with me or are you against me". Quoting a terrible president who doesn''t listen, is bad judgement.

On CBS news, you can see Obama''s oil solution ad. I''d rather have Obama''s $1000 permanent tax cut than Hillary''s $28 (and Hillary double spends windfall oil money, so she doesn''t actually pay for it).

[wwsword]

A lot of Republicans are supporting Obama because they know McCain will easily defeat Obama in November. If members of the political right support Clinton it is in part because they have an irrational fear that a personality cult could win the presidency. I say irrational precisely because if Obama is the nominee McCain will be president. But so scary is Obama to some conservatives that they are crossing over to vote for Clinton. It is well-known among Republicans than Clinton is the much stronger candidate. Other Republicans are supporting Clinton because they are disappointed in the past eight years of a Republican in the White House. Not every Republican is an idiot.

[samthetvcat]

--"I want a smart perceptive President with good judgement in a crisis and I just don%u2019t think Obama has yet developed that type of maturity of judgement."--
Posted by Absecon2

I think you''ve just proven that wisdom has nothing to do with age . . .

[wogerwabbit]

Why does the right wing want Hillary to win the nomination? Because they believe McCain can beat her.

[absecon2]

What if Obama were faced with something like the Cuban Missile Crises. The military advised Kennedy they could obliterate Cuba before they could respond and asked for Kennedy%u2019s authorization to continue. Kennedy asked if the military could guarantee the Cubans would not have an opportunity to fire upon any American city and they couldn%u2019t give him that guarantee so Kennedy chose diplomacy instead. Later it was learned that the Russians had given the Cubans land-based weapons with nuclear warheads that could have been used against us. Had Kennedy given the military the go ahead they requested, the Cubans most likely would have gotten off at least one of those nuclear warheads and World War Three would have begun.

What if Obama was in that position? Does he have the maturity and judgement to have made the right decision and have kept us from a nuclear disaster? I think not. Obama was too naove to realize how much of a problem Pastor Wright would be in his campaign. I don%u2019t want a naove President. I want a smart perceptive President with good judgement in a crisis and I just don%u2019t think Obama has yet developed that type of maturity of judgement.

[absecon2]

What does Obama%u2019s relationship with his pastor tell us about Obama? In the past Obama has called Jeremiah Wright his %u201Cmentor%u201D. Obama has said that his pastor was like family to him. For a while he was defensive of his pastor referring to him as an %u201Cold uncle%u201D who he suggested meant no harm. Early in these discussions he denied having heard or having known of some of his pastors more extreme and anti American views. Later he admits he did know some of these things. Then, when Pastor Wright tells all in several widely publicized speeches and deeply offends many white voters with his views, then and only then does Obama disown him. All this causes me to believe that there was and perhaps still is a lot more agreement between Obama and his pastor that Obama is ready to admit. But even if Obama is sincere this time Obama has at the very least shown very irrational judgement in his handling of Pastor Wright.