Comments on: Feminist Rule: We Must Vote For Clinton

The Nation: A Rift Among The Sisterhood Surfaces As Many Feminists Show Support For Obama

[mswolfestock]

I don''t see how any woman can call herself a feminist if she lets ANYBODY tell her what to do. I don''t let men tell me what to do, so why should I do any differently when a woman is trying to tell me what to do? Feminists telling other women what to do is as bad as Jessie Jackson telling other black people what to do. It''s all about everybody having the freedom to make their own well-informed choice.

[bluestardad]

THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT IS A BUNCH OF HOT AIR!

WHEN REAL WOMEN STAND UP AND REGISTER FOR THE MILITARY DRAFT LIKE ALL MEN HAVE TO THEN THEY CAN TALK ABOUT A FEMINIST MOVEMENT!

AMERICA STAND UP OR SHUT UP!

[torch2008]

But before you check that box for Obama, ladies, consider his voting record. He talks a good talk - makes you swoon, but his voting record shows his real allegiance. He has been missing in action for us when it has come to pro-choice related votes, missing in action for children when it came to funding and passing children''s health initiatives, missing in action for the soldiers in Iraq consistently voting since 2003 not to withdraw troops and voting in favor of funding, missing in action for the tenants of Rezko''s unheated and delapitated slums in the South Chicago district under his jurisdiction, missing in action for Katrina victims when he voted to import cheap labor from other countries instead of hiring the people of New Orleans for rebuilding jobs, missing in action for hundreds of thousands of black voters in Ohio, and I could go on and on...

Hillary has been there. And Hillary has vowed to write full equality into law - meaning finally equal pay for equal work. Universal health care is a gift well give our children and the men and women we love, a shift to green energy jobs is a gift to the economy and to the environment (Obama is a nuke industry lobbyists'' pet). Hillary is a wonderful choice for all in 2008, men, women, children - plants, fish, animals.... :)

[torch2008]

My God(dess), this is such claptrap. You know what? It''s okay to be a feminist. And you know what else? It''s okay to vote for Hillary because she''s a woman if that''s what your conviction is. Plenty of African Americans are voting for Obama simply because he is black. Woe befall anyone who dares tell them otherwise! Many African Americans are voting for Hillary because they think she''d be a better commander in chief!

But I really do get sick of ''people'' trying to shame us out of our feminist pride and power.
It really shocks me how many seem to have forgotten that women couldn''t vote in the U.S. until 1920; that women were largely denied access to universities until just recently; that women in the U.S. still make only .56-.78 to a man''s dollar for the same job.
That women all over the world are still regarded as second class citizens without rights and subject to the basest abuses.

I''m a Feminist Damnit, and I''m proud of it! BUT I''m voting for hillary because she''s smart, experienced, and her vision for the future kicks *** so hard it makes Obama look like a babbling idiot. But by all means, vote for whoever you want to.

[quatrops]

Sorry about that, rational_1. My comment was poorly stated. What I was trying to say was that it was sad because it was true. It certainly IS a valid reason not to vote for her.

She has the persona and intelligence to be a good leader, but for her alliance with Washington insider machine politics. Like far too many on the national scene, she has sold her soul to the Washington establishment.

How long Obama can steer clear of that temptation remains to be seen. We can only hope. And vote!

I meant "sad" in the same way as how sad it is that a promising politician like NYs governor couldn''t stay away from $1000/hr. prostitutes. What a sad waste of a promising political career. Although I think Americans pay far too much attention to the sexual proclivities of politicians, the reality is that they do, and such revalations can bring a quick end to a career.

[whimsy1]

As a 60-something independent, self-supporting woman, I do resent any so-called feminist requiring that Hillary get my vote because she is a woman.
Hillary simply does not have the experience she touts, nor any integrity. I have followed her career for years and she does not walk the talk. Women should vote for someone who can unite this country, not further polarize it. She is definitely not the role model I want for my daughters and granddaughters.

[rational_1]

Sadly, there are too many "Hillary-haters" out there who will never vote for her, not because of her *** but because they see in her more of the same Washington insider machine politics.
Posted by quatrops at 08:49 PM : Mar 10, 2008

What''s so sad about that? You''ve stated a perfectly legitimate reason not to vote for a person for President. And that is exactly why I would never vote for Clinton (I don''t trust her - especially at 3AM). I have no problem with a woman becoming President, just not THAT woman. So not every Hillary-hater is necessarily a misogynist and anyone who says so is a stupid beeetch(kidding).

[lorinkundert]

Don''t let the feminists think for you, vote for who makes you most comfortable, anything else is short sighted.

[quatrops]

Voting FOR Clinton because of her gender is no different than voting AGAINST her for the same reason. Either does a disservice to the feminist movement.

Although there are a few misogynist neanderthals still out there [and always will be], there is a sufficient percentage of the voting public to whom the gender issue is irrelevent that we can safely vote for candidates based on their qualifications.

Our country deserves the BEST candidate, male or female. Sadly, there are too many "Hillary-haters" out there who will never vote for her, not because of her *** but because they see in her more of the same Washington insider machine politics.

The country wants a change from that, and if Clinton is the Democratic candidate, far too many voters will simply be uninspired to vote, giving McCain an even chance.

[nell1200]

Does Jessica represent "third wave" feminism? No. It''s not standing on the shoulders of the past, it''s grinding her heel on their forehead. She writes this campaign "shone a spotlight%u2026 the movement''s longstanding power imbalance, in which a few organizations and leaders decide what counts as an acceptable platform." First, did I miss a club meeting, and um, as opposed to Jessica and her buds telling people what is acceptable?

Ah it becomes clear. Her essay is no call for unity, she%u2019s negative on Clinton - but her real target is "mainstream feminists." Clinton is just a happy accident along the path of selling her core product: blame. She has a beef with feminists, even when they offer a letter of reconciliation. "But the letter - written after a breakfast of blueberry muffins served on "the good china" at Steinem''s house..%u201D A blogger noted, %u201Cwhat does Gloria''s china have to do with anything, Jessica? %u201C Bear in mind, she is creating a product. So, don''t look to her to define unity. She writes: "feminist election tensions will start to fade - but we shouldn''t let them" She refuses any olive branch. Of course the tensions shouldn''t fade. It''s good for her career. Look, the older feminists are very inclusive. Let''s call these writers on their ***. Even Gloria S is now making the rounds in speeches with a pro-Obama feminist. She has always been inclusive in her engagements. The third wave feminists I know applaud her, even when they disagree.

[worldcomment]

I am a feminist who is voting for John McCain because he will spend the 85 cents per male dollar that I''ve earned in the most appropriate manner. If Senator Clinton would stop trying to turn the United States into a socialist country I might consider voting for her, but I can rest comfortably knowing that day will never arrive.

[paris1969]

I would rather CBS not use information from "The Nation" ... it is always so useless and elitist.

[tibu987]

Wow! That women will vote for Hillary because she is a woman and more "qualified" in their minds leaves me wondering.
Have the women checked on all the scandals that have followed Slick willie and Hillary all the way from Arkansas?
Where all the qualifications and experience comes from that is attributed to Hillary also escapes me.
Here, you have two really sleazy lawyers from Arkansas, the second most backward State in the U.S. who make their way to the White House, one of the great faux pas'' of all time.
Please ladies, a woman will, one day, be elected to the presidency of the U.S., Hillary, however, does not deserve to be the one.

[jamurphy4]

You don''t have to be a Fem. to vote for Hillary.. I''m a 70 year old man, and she''ll get my vote.. I want someone that''s smart, tough, experienced, and willing to pull that trigger if it comes to that.. Hillary fills that bill just fine.. It''s time to give a Women a chance.. The turkey we have in the White House right now, isn''t worth a warm dump.

[dsmi2726]

You should vote for who you think is best qualified. I wonder why I can''t find one story that isn''t putting Hillary down and building Obama up.

[hdinsight]

Clinton is the most qualified. Gender/Race/Religion did not sway my vote. Those voting based on "likeabilty" sound like high school students electing a prom queen. Ms. Clinton will not be riding of the back of a convertible waving at a stadium filled with onlookers. She will turn around the economy, end the war in Iraq and increase access to affordable health care. Isn''t that enough of a reason to vote for this candidate?

[jacqueliner3]

The first goal of feminism ought to be to educate today''s youth about the battles that women like Senator Clinton fought against institutionalized sexism and misogyny. You can''t know where you''re going until you know where you''ve been. It saddens me that young women are so anxious to turn their backs on the movement that made so many opportunities available to them and made this country a less hostile and safer place for all women. We have to educate our children about what the world used to be like for women to ensure that it does not become that way again. Those who don''t know history are doomed to repeat it.

[bgddy58]

Wow - let''s see if it works both ways:

What I see is many people voting for a weak, inexperienced,talk-and-no-action (Armed Services committee) no-resume, con-artist (Iraq vote), woman over a strong, experienced, tough, likable, capable, dedicated man. The reasons for this backwards vote are chauvinism, GOP brainwashing and the typical Democratic tendency toward eloquent liars.

Gee - works for me!

[magnetrack]

What I see is many people voting for a weak, inexperienced,talk-and-no-action (Afghan committee) no-resume, con-artist (Iraq vote), man over a strong, experienced, tough, likable, capable, dedicated woman. The reasons for this backwards vote are chauvinism, GOP brainwashing and the typical Democratic tendency toward eloquent dreamers.

[gkc99]

Yes, but who will the masculinists vote for? Whom is the National Organization for Men recommending?

Oh wait, we can''t have one, that would be SEXIST!