Comments on: Don’t Give Up On Clinton

Weekly Standard: Despite Obama’s Successes, The N.Y. Senator Can Still Win The Nomination

[hillary4us]

I HAVE ALWAYS HAD HOPE. WHAT I WANT IN MY PRESIDENT IS SUBSTANCE, EXPERIENCE, COMPASSION AND GRIT! HILLARY CLINTON HAS ALL THOSE ATTRIBUTES, OBAMA DOES NOT! TO ANSWER THE POSTER WHO QUESTIONS WHY HILLARY SUPPORTERS WOULD VOTE MCCAIN, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. IT IS A VOTE AGAINST OBAMA NOT FOR MCCAIN!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5566307.html

Farrakhan praises Obama as ''hope of entire world''
By SOPHIA TAREEN

CHICAGO %u2014 In his first major public address since a cancer crisis,
Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said Sunday that presidential
candidate Barack Obama is the "hope of the entire world" that the U.S.
will change for the better.

The 74-year-old Farrakhan, addressing an estimated crowd of 20,000..

"This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will
change and be made better," he said. "This young man is capturing
audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack
Obama''s audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are
being transformed."

Farrakhan compared Obama to the religion''s founder, Fard Muhammad, who
also had a white mother and black father.

"A black man with a white mother became a savior to us," he told the
crowd of mostly followers. "A black man with a white mother could turn
out to be one who can lift America from her fall."

[binstar]

I''d also like to speak to this war vote thing. It seems like over time people have forgotten the days leading up to the current Iraq war so let me remind you...

NO RATIONAL THINKER BELIEVED ANY OF THE "EVIDENCE" THAT SUPPORTED THE INVASION OF IRAQ

That''s right - even Clinton knew it was B.S. - They all did. Remember their smoking gun was a black and white photo of an abandoned warehouse in the desert.

No one had the balls to stand up for the American people and in that sense, everything Clinton says about her preparedness and national security and being "vetted" and caring about troops and families means very little because in practice she folded just like everyone else and true to form cannot even admit she made a mistake.

PS - when Hillary Clinton goes to Saudi Arabia to get money for her campaign is she allowed to drive?

[ericv2644]

I am a Republican and I am going to support Obama. He inspires me to look at our country as an American not White or black just American. It has been a long time in politics since I have felt this way about a candidate of any party. I voted for Bush but I now think that was a mistake but I am sure about Obama.

[PulSamsara]

"Trust me, you would not want Obama to win this election.
Between the 3 candidates, the country is safest with Hillary Clinton, both locally and internationally."
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OK - Shucks ''what the hell''
I''ll trust you... just because you''re you...
hmmmmm.... Nahhh
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Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.

[binstar]

Only among the dinosaurs in U.S. politics is a 46 year-old considered to be some young, inexperienced whipper-snapper.

Also, people that say they would vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee are a perfect example of why the rational among us say that Clinton''s tactics are seriously dividing your party.

And before you mention the spaz-out about those leaflets, consider the content of the leaflets - they were outlining flaws in Clinton''s policy and they also happened to be true; She responded in a very embarrassing way to that as if to insinuate that it was dirty politics and thus it''s ok to start the smear campaign.

The Clinton campaign seems to think those of us that aren''t over 65 or white women are idiots.

[pearlb4]

I''m glad you mentioned how Barrak Obama came to his decision not to vote for the Iraq war. Don''t get me wrong I didn''t think they should have gone to war. but Hillary is no war monger so he should stop (I''m fed up of hearing him use it) talking about the fact that she voted for it. Anyway while he did not look at the data perhaps or else he would have voted along with Hillary, Kerry etc. I think perhaps he decided he could not vote for war against a muslim country.People don''t change their religious legacies that easily, obviously especially muslims.

[dothemath3]

With a headline like "Don''t Give Up On Clinton" I guess we can bury the claim that the media favors Obama. Many "articles" on the campaign sound a lot like Clinton ads.

I can''t address all the points in this long article, but here''s a few:

Please research those "present" votes in the Illinois legislature. They were strategic votes and had the desired effect, which the "older Democrats," to which you refer, would appreciate. As an older Democrat myself, I understood after reading about some of those votes and their implications that "present" was the best choice Obama could have made.

On Florida and Michigan: Whether or not anyone likes the fact that the party punished the states, the party did declare the primaries invalid before they occurred; therefore, the understanding of all parties involved at the time of the primaries was that they would not count. Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan. Would you care to suggest that no one in Michigan would like to vote for Obama? Trying to make this an insider-outsider issue would not resonate with millions of rational people (of all ages) who understand that you can''t change the rules AFTER you play the game.

On Obama reasoning that the case had not been made for war in Iraq: Many experts came to the same conclusion Obama did. They did not allow politically motivated propaganda to convince them in the absence of evidence from reliable sources.

[copper001]

Trust me, you would not want Obama to win this election.
Between the 3 candidates, the country is safest with Hillary Clinton, both locally and internationally.

[anukarobert]

radvocate07 -- hillary supporters like me will vote for mccain in the general if hillary is not nominated... because we are truly independent and don''t vote by part we vote on experience and capability of the candidate...
Obama had hoodwinked a lot of people with his empty-hope message. In reality he has neither the gravitas nor experience to be president. Look at his record... he has no distinctions compared to hillary or mccain...

I for one hate the LOW hypo-critic campaign he has led while pretending to be above ''old politics''

I was COMPETELY turned off by the Harry & Louise mailers against universal health care... - that proves the true nature of Obama.

I can bet... if he wins the nomination Democrats will fail to carry PA, OH and FL and lose the election to Mccain deservedly....

tiddletiddle,

I don''t understand why someone that supports Clinton would vote for McCain in the general election. Is your statement based on policy? Can you clarify?

Nice analysis. Definitely, Obama has not crossed the finish line... yet. However, several of the tactical opportunities that you outlined for Clinton and McCain are-- in my opinion-- narrow considering the intensity of Obama''s support.

1. Obama supporters would "flip out" (imagine 1972 style protests) if delegates from Florida and Michigan decide the nomination. Obama didn''t campaign in these states-- he was not even on the ballot in Michigan.

2. A pure super-delegates victory, while less rousing, would also divide the party. Leaving a big opening for McCain.

3. "Obama republicans", "McCain democrats", and "independents" are synonyms. Given the similarities between Obama and McCain on many issues including: campaign finance reform, ethics, and the environment, I think Obama should be able to hold his own among this group.

4. Finally, don''t forget that McCain will need to energize conservative voters. Obama is not likely to get the vote of Christian evangelicals, but his message of unity may not inspire their anti-vote like John Kerry did 2004.

But you are right. Obama has a long road before him, but he also doesn''t seem to be relenting.

[tiddletiddle]

I second that. Clinton is still my candidate. To tell the truth, if she isn''t, my vote will go to McCain.

[mspiff]

Yes, I don''t want to give up on Hillary.

[athy4]

Thank you Mr.DiLulio. Well said and well written.
This is the only way Hillary Clinton can win the nomination-if her supporters get the word out on WHY they support her and back it up with sources for their positions.Back up opinions and include website links in comments so that voters can check things out for themselves and decide. Get the facts out into public discourse.One nagging question that I have is included in this comment:Will some journalist please ask the candidate -What on earth was Obama thinking when he chose Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB ) as one of his foreign policy advisors??? http://www.nysun.com/article/71123

ZB was one of main people responsible for convincing the US govt to arm the mujaheddin.

Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB) endorsed Obama for presidentt. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con
tent/article/2007/08/24/AR2007082402127.
html
Lastyear,(ZB) was interviewed in http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.h
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During the 1960%u2019s and 1970%u2019s he (ZB) was so focused on fighting the evil Russian empire that he completely ignored the existence of radical Islamic fundamentalism. He gave poor advice to President Carter. The ramifications of his (ZB)being so blind-sided helped to nurture the evolution and expansion of Osama Bin Ladin%u2019s (and others) terrorist groups. In 1998, Brzezinski was interviewed by the French newspaper Nouvel Observateur on the topic of Afghanistan.
http://www.counterpunch.or
g/brzezinski.html