Comments on: The Wrong Kind Of Religious

The New Republic: Despite His Efforts, Romney's Mormonism Always Held Back His Campaign

[calisea1]

Wolf,

I have many non-Mormon friends that live in Utah and they love it there because of the very same values you tend to disagree with.
My wife is an extremely well paid medical professional who has worked outside the home her whole life while raising three great, socially responsible, kind, respectful, well educated children, who are all professionals now. That''s called free agency. It was her choice to do that and nobody has ever held it against her. Furthermore, I know many professional non-Mormon women who are very well employed in Utah, both in more rural areas and in SLC. Of course they are all well educated and have strong employment backgrounds. Not sure what your issue was.
I don''t find myself as any of the words you used to describe all Mormons. I don''t think I''m better than anyone else, but I sure try to be the best I can be for myself and my family. I never referred to anyone as a Gentile and never heard anyone else use that term in day-to-day conversation.
As far as Mormons being insulated.....well, perhaps that isn''t so bad in some ways. In other ways I never knew a religious population to be more well travelled and worldly in terms of getting outside their community.
Finally, my best friends are non-Mormon. My three golf buddies are non-Mormon. My son is dating a non-Mormon. We invite non-Mormon to dinner parties. They invite us. You must have been locked down in a remote bastion of the old days.

[senorbahen]

Mormons also do not have a paid clergy. They frown upon people recieving money to spread God''s word. Every office in the church is voluntary.

[ambotsaimo-2009]

When you go to a Mormon church you never hear anything about any other church but what Mormons believe. They never have long sermons detailing why other religions are false or producing movies that %u201Cwarn you of the dangers of other religions%u201D. Mormons are not in the business of demeaning other religions to put theirs up, just trying to live their own. I admire that. It%u2019s like those bullies you meet at school who always have to put people down so they feel better about them selves. Sure there are always those Mormons who may be tactless and naive but every religion has those members. For the most part Mormons are good people willing to help anyone out. They aren%u2019t weird%u2026 Most people are inherently good no matter what religion if you take the time to get to know them and understand them. Shame on all of you who judge without trying to understand.

[calisea1]

The little thing about church and state bobbyduck was intended to seperate church from state, not religion from politics. Its also defined in a great and often misinterpretted "wall of seperation" metaphor in Thomas Jefferson''s letter to the Danbury Baptists. It''s not part of our Constitution.

[tomanyt]

All religions are cults!!!

[bot14]

Mitt is not a Creedal Christian. However, he does believe in the Jesus Christ of the New Testament:
The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused by Evangelical pastors of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion. This article http://mormonsarechristian.blogspot.com/ helps to clarify such misconceptions by examining early Christianity''s comprehension of baptism, the Godhead, the deity of Jesus Christ and His Atonement.

The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) adheres more closely to First Century Christianity and the New Testament than any other denomination. For example, Harper%u2019s Bible Dictionary entry on the Trinity says %u201Cthe formal doctrine of the Trinity as it was defined by the great church councils of the fourth and fifth centuries is not to be found in the New Testament.%u201D


One Baptist blogger stated %u201C99 percent of the members of his Baptist church believe in the Mormon (and Early Christian) view of the Trinity. It is the preachers who insist on the Nicene Creed definition.%u201D It seems to me the reason the pastors denigrate the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is to protect their flock (and their livelihood).

[senorbahen]

You missed my point. You are mostly right about the "3 heavens". So Mormons don''t believe that non Mormons go straight to hell. Wouldn''t you say that is an accurate statement.

[cpaide]

"Mormons believe that if you''re not Mormon you''re going straight to hell, shows that you don''t know that much about Mormon beliefs."
Posted by SenorBahen

jesus told me that mormans don''t have a hell, except for murderers and rapists and child molesters--just 3 different heavens. guess you don''t know that much about morman beliefs either. and jesus said he would take the lowest level of morman heaven over the evangelical christian zealot heaven any day. too much noise and yelling and such.

[bobbyduck1]

This is a case of fanatics calling extremists wacko. Neither group represents Christianity nor Christian principles, and even if they did there is, by definition, no place for their views in government. (Remember the little thing about seperation of church and state..?) Both sects/cults in this discussion are bigoted, intolerant, and spend most of their time trying to form the world and everyone in it to their narrow views that are not supported in Jesus'' teachings. The good thing is that finally most thinking Americans are catching on and telling the religious right of ALL flavors to go back to church where they belong and leave the governing to adults!

[billpl-2009]

Romney got only 51% of his home state, but 90% of Utah

....not rocket science

[senorbahen]

mswolfestock actually sounds like the prejudiced one. I lived in Utah as a young child and moved back for a year during my 20''s. Utah is very much as described. My advice is that if drinking alcohol is that important to you, you might not want to live in Utah. They do take traditional family values very seriously.

[senorbahen]

You saying that, Mormons believe that if you''re not Mormon you''re going straight to hell, shows that you don''t know that much about Mormon beliefs.

[mswolfestock]

I lived in Utah for three years, and I couldn''t wait to get out of there. Whether or not you agree that Mormonism is a cult, they are judgemental, self-righteous, and narrow-minded. They actually call non-Mormons "Gentiles." They do not drink alcohol, which is fine, I have no problem with their choice, except for the fact that they think that NOBODY should drink. The State of Utah controls the liquor stores, and that means that there are hardly any liquor stores anywhere outside of the major cities, the prices are high, and the selection is terrible. When you go out to eat at a nice sit-down restaurant, the waiter or waitress cannot serve you an alcoholic drink. They will bring your glass with ice and mixer, then you, the customer, must get up and go to a little window or kiosk and purchase the liquor in mini-bottles. Here again, the prices are outrageous and the selection is very poor. Mormons also discourage their women from working - they are supposed to stay home and have large families. Again, this is fine for them. But in my case, I was not a Mormon and I had a HUGE problem finding a decent job. I was even asked at a job interview if I wouldn''t be happier married and having children. Mormons in Utah are extremely naive; they have insulated themselves from the rest of the country, and for that reason, I would never want a Mormon in the White House. They are extremely out of touch, and they are prejudiced against all non-Mormons.

[perception5]

Mitt''s religion had ZERO to do with him not winning the GOP nomination.

The most corrupt institution in America, our MSM wolfpack press, like The New Lying Republic with their 1930''s German style propaganda machine had "everything" to do with Mitt not getting the GOP nomination.

If America''s corrupt liberal MSM wolfpack had "promoted" Mitt like they are and have been with Obama then Mitt would have been the 44th POTUS.

We need MAJOR reforms in our corrupt press and this "fictional story" is just one reason why.

Really sad indeed.

[ki8911]

Holy Smoke! This was a very interesting article. I wasn''t aware of the ferocious competition between Mormons & Southern Baptists. To even have the SB conference right in the heart of Mormonism, to knock on doors of Mormons, that took some serious cajones! I couldn''t help but guffaw at their audacity. Here in Nevada, there''s a good sized population of practicing Mormons. Growing up, I had good friends who were of that faith. It wasn''t my cup of tea, but they were good folks. It''s just a bummer to watch all these different faiths saying that they alone have the truth & the only right way to worship god & jesus. Anybody who didn''t believe like them was going straight to hell. That''s what turned me off, among other things, to ever want to join a faith. I didn''t want Romney because of his faith, but rather something about him just didn''t click. This will be an interesting year.