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The Nation: If Bush Goes To War With Iran, Americans Should Deny Him The Money He Needs

[grumpas]

Thanks to you idiots like you zoopster1 we now have two failed wars going and counting. You have elevated a few rag tag terrorist''s to a major threat to the free world! A distinction they do not deserve. Mostly because you are dumb enough to buy into Bush''s propaganda rhetoric that is as erratic and illogical as your sorry thinking. Thanks to people like you Bin Laden (who was actually responsible for 9/11) hasn''t been caught he is still loose and probably will remain loose. Because people like you can''t get your reasoning together enough to go after the right people. Instead you moron''s have been attacking anyone on the planet but the right people who were responsible. If you want to cower in a corner with fear be my guest but I am sick of you and the fear mongers who drive this country!

[adian1-2009]

Perfect article by Mr. Hedges. But we should not expect that reason will prevail in our present WH. And to worsen things, we do not have enough spine in Congress nor Senate to refuse funding Bush/Cheney''s future wars just like they haven''t have stopped funding the attack and invasion against Irak. Not much can be expected from Bush, or from Pelosi, or from Reid. All three are incompetents.

[quatrops]

"What a sad, existential litany of failure you represent."

Thus begins a post by ubrew12 at 12:46 11/26, in a response to zoopster. If you haven''t read the post, it is worth your while to scroll down. It''s a masterful piece of prose. Thanks, ubrew ! !

Osama Bin Laden sits back in his cave with a smug smile of satisfaction when he reads zoopster and the like, imagining his goal has been achieved. Not only did he get the Bush/Cheney/Neo-con cabal to respond exactly the way he wanted, but he''s got cowardly Americans buying their FEAR package.

And not just ordinary fear, but change-your-underwear-six-times-a-day fear. Cowards like zoopster believe that genocide, nuclear attacks, and torture against perceived terrorists are going to reduce the liklihood of another 9/11. In his fear, he can''t understand the opposite is true.

Gateway1 thinks peaceful Muslims don''t speak out. They do, gateway, but our media don''t find it newsworthy. Try asking a Muslim, or attend a forum on the subject at your local mosque. Hopefully you can find one that zealous cowards like zoopster haven''t grafittied or firebombed!

[zoopster1]

Hey ainttaken, maybe you weren''t paying attention, but on 9/11, 19 of those fanatics succeeded in killing almost 3000 of your fellow citizens. Elsewhere in the world, a few hundred fanatics willing to sacrifice their lives have been responsible for the deaths of thousands more innocent people. Did those people somehow have it coming? Do they wear any kind of military uniform? Have they committed any wrongs against the perpetrators of such agony?

Look closely at what those fanatics have in common. They were willing to DIE FOR THEIR BELIEFS. How do you stop people like that? Send a couple of policemen to their house to serve a warrant? Hold a meeting? Ask nicely?

No. You find and kill them before they have a chance to carry out their plan. You use any and all means at your disposal, including the dirtiest and most uncivilized tactics imaginable, in order to preserve your society and way of life. You use deception. You use subterfuge. You use brute force. You use whatever you can get hold of. How hard is that to understand?

[zoopster1]

"For the rest of us Americans, true Americans, we''ll find a future for our children that doesn''t involve inflaming the Middle East unnecessarily."

Right, because the passions of the people in the Middle East are ONLY inflamed because we invaded Iraq. And if we turn all our attention inward to building a better America, the nutcases will leave us alone. Right? You live in such an anti-Republican dreamworld that you think al Qaeda will just call the whole war off if we pull out of Iraq, and take no action against Iran? I suggest you read a book or two before you go very far into that fantasy.

Osama bin Laden, very clearly and eloquently, laid out his reasons for the declaration of war against America. Read it here: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html. Learn it. Understand it. This was not written by George Bush, and the complaints it lays out are clearly defined. This is why we fight, and this is why we may have to commit genocide in order to prevail.

We may not have found the WMD''s we were looking for, but we ARE fighting al Qaeda in Iraq now. They declared war on us remember? They will go WHEREVER our soldiers go. That is their goal: to destroy everything we try to build, to kill anyone who cooperates with us. This is total war, without restrictions, so wake up.

I''m done.

[brianbwb-2009]

"...and suicide bombers are detonating themselves at YOUR KIDS'''' SCHOOLS. Get a grip, get real, and get with the program already!..."
Posted by zoopster1

Yeah, right. Your grandfather hated the Russians, because "they were coming to get us", then your father hated the Vietnamese, because "they were coming to get us".

Save us the fear mongering, it doesn''t work anymore, there is no one "coming to get us". But there will be much more motivation, if we continue killing people based on "what they might do" in some future timeline, for "them" to apply the same logic, but with much more evidence, to us.

[quatrops]

"Do I want us to attack Iran? No!" says zoopster1.

Well tell us, zoopster, did you want us to attack Iraq? I would think your answer to that would be "No!" also, since they didn''t threaten us any more than Iran has. Probably not as much. But "we" did, didn''t "we"?

Poll after poll indicates that the American people do not, and would not support the Iraq war once the lies and the Cheney-forced mischaracterizations of intelligence were revealed. So it''s NOT America''s war, it''s BUSH''S (AND THE NEO-CON''S) war.

And if you think it is so important to retaliate against REAL terrorists (which most of us do), why aren''t we going after Bin Laden instead of throwing away lives (and $) elsewhere. If you truly can answer that question for yourself, all the concerns you expressed in your diatribe will be answered.

You bought into the package of FEAR that Bush/Cheney and the neo-con cowards were selling, and now it seems you FEAR hearing the objections of your fellow Americans who no longer are buying that package (if they ever did!)

[ubrew12]

zoopster1 said: "Do I accept that we may end up having to fight every Muslim on Planet Earth... because of our support for Israel..? Yes I do...get with the program"

What a sad, existential, litany of failure you represent! In a like manner, because you''re eventually gonna die, why don''t you kill yourself now? People protesting here think they can make a difference... and PROTECT Israel and the U.S. by not inflaming the Middle East into a terrorist spiral! And all you can offer is Armageddon! If you think we''re doomed to this path, and to the eventual, islamic terrorist response, then you are truly lost. Your embrace of fatalism is unAmerican at its most neocon... Cheney would be proud of you. For the rest of us Americans, true Americans, we''ll find a future for our children that doesn''t involve inflaming the MiddleEast unnecessarily. And still supports Israeli and American independence.

[zoopster1]

OK, well what if "Bush" doesn''t go to war against Iran? What if THE UNITED STATES does? Will you pay your taxes then? What if an Iranian-sponsored terrorist group sets off a bomb in a New York subway? Or blows up an American embassy? Or takes American hostages (again!!)? Will THAT be a reasonable justification for war? Or is it your position that there is never any justification for any war, ever? That any terrorist attack against America HAS to be engineered by our own government just to keep the dumb people in line??? Are you even willing to concede that maybe, just maybe, there really ARE terrorist killers out there who AREN''T working for the Bush administration??

I get so sick of reading nonsense like this. Do I want to see us attack Iran? No. Do I think it''s worth even one American life to attack Iran? No, I think if war winds up being necessary we should just glass the entire place. Do I accept that we may end up having to fight every Muslim on Planet Earth at some point because of our support for Israel, which any Muslim will tell you is the number one place they would bomb if they actually had representative governments? Yes I do.

We''ll see if this is still all about Bush 2 years from now, when he''s gone, the war against radical Islam is still being fought, and suicide bombers are detonating themselves at YOUR KIDS'' SCHOOLS. Get a grip, get real, and get with the program already!

[quatrops]

Indeed, welcome home Vet_SK! I''m at a loss for words (for once!) to express my gratitude to you for speaking out against this insanity. And my sincere thanks, too, to all of you posters who not only recognize the destructiveness of Bush and the neo-cons and the damage they have done to our democracy, but are willing to take the time to speak out. LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD !

It takes only a couple minutes to send an e-mail to your elected representatives. Even if their current stand on the "War on Terror" isn''t what you would like it to be, most of these twits can count !

Letters to the editor. Bumper stickers. Prayers. Discussion groups. Tax protests. Whatever ! ! With enough "noise" from us, they just might stall on attacking Iran for 421 more days. After that, we can go to work rebuilding our democracy.

Thanks again!