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The New Republic: Leaving Illegal Immigrants Out Of Health Care Only Costs Taxpayers Money

[rudy654-2009]

"The illegal is like a robber in the house of the immigrant stealing his hard earned property".

Hmm. It''s more like the so-called "illegal" is a stranger in his own land, stolen from his ancestors by illegal, unscrupulous, self righteous invaders.

[rudy654-2009]

This is essentially what illegal aliens are doing. They are expecting us to take care of them as well as our own, and we simply can''''t. Illegal aliens are children to a different set of parents that need to take responsibility for them.
Posted by bennyblack1 at 05:35 PM

Yep, they used to say this krap about the Irish too. "But they don''t live like us." "They''re dirty people." Or, I like when back in the 30s they would give IQ tests to some poor old woman from Poland who didn''t speak any English, and say "They''re sending all the sick retards to our country." Or,"We can let them Jews come in, they''re trying to take over the whole country." "Make sure none of them get of the ship, and jump to freedom." So, the U.S. sent back several thousands of Jews to face their ultimate fate in the Holocaust. Yep, by today''s standards, most of you wouldn''t even be here posting your anti-immigrant rhetoric, because your dirt poor, illiterate ancestors wouldn''t have even been allowed off the ship.

[frankbowers]

I read the other day a way to explain my dislike of the illegal aliens.
It went like this.
"The illegal is like a robber in the house of the immigrant stealing his hard earned property".
The best of good byes frank bowers in austin, tx

[rudy654-2009]

"And I think we should actually go one step further. Invade Mexico!"

How in the he11 do you think you got a hold of all of the Southwest and Texas???? By invading Mexico, maybe, just maybe?? Good grief, I love the irony.

[rudy654-2009]

It seems to me that many of these undocumented workers also have children serving in Iraq. I don''t know the numbers, but I already know quite a few. And yes, when there is talk about illegals, it is usually about the Hispanics. Why? Because of the dumb comments that they don''t want to speak English and we don''t want those people here. I still find it hilarious that these Mestizos are called illegal when their ancestors have been here for thousands of years, but those who call them that, can''t go back more than 7 generations.

[ubrew12]

bennyblack1 said: "Invade Mexico!"

Well, maybe we''ve had enough of invasions for the present. For now, absolutely CLOSE the border. 100%. Then, try to identify those who''ve been here illegally less than 10 years and deport them (yes, pay them something if possible, that would be the right thing to do). Finally, put serious pressure on their governments to get rid of the HORRIBLE inequities I saw in the 1970s-80s (which, I''m sure, continue to this day), that has driven this gruesome expatriation. We are dealing with a FAILURE to deal with a typical overpopulation problem of too many countries over the last 50 years (if you want to see how to deal with the subject of southern overpopulation/inequity properly, take a look at Italy in the 1960s-70s).

America is a little too romantically impressed by its history as the place for the ''tired, oppressed, huddled masses''. That''s not an excuse for other countries not to get their sh*t together. Many Latin American countries in particular (I''ve been to these countries: trust me, to be upper middle class in them is a whole OTHER plane of existence), have decided to export their population problems. ENOUGH OF THAT NONSENSE!!!

[bennyblack1]

ubrew.
I agree. Oh gosh, yes, I agree. And I think we should actually go one step further. Invade Mexico! If they all want to be Americans, voila! Then, they would HAVE to follow all the laws and regs, and we would then go about improving the sorry conditions down there. I really don''t think that the Mexican government would be stupid enough to try to stop it. I know it sounds Imperialistic, but, hey, you made your own kids *** children. Give us your country and we''ll adopt them. And stay out of our business!

[ubrew12]

bennyblack1 said: "The rich and priviledged [in Mexico], and the poor agricultural communities. The rich have nice houses and cars, while the agricultural communities live in communes and walk or ride a bike. "

I must say, you are right. For the last 40 years, Latin American communities have been DEEPLY divided by wealth. Really, HORRIBLE juxtapositions of wealth and absolute "eat your own baby" poverty. America created a better, more equitable, society, and thats why all the Latin poor are over here... wouldn''t YOU do the same? I was in Latin America in the 1970''s and could SEE the problems occuring that this was going to create!!!

We need to close the border, send them home (if we can identify all of them), and FORCE (I mean, by arms if necessary) Latin American to take in its own POOR!!!!!!!! Al-Qaeda is a ruse. The true threat to America is Latin America (and other places) NOT looking after their own people, and FORCING them to leave to other shores (i.e. America).

Time to take ACTION against THAT kind of ''rich on poor'' predation!!! I''m sorry the world is over-populated. It''s not America''s job to take in the excess!!! And I say this as a Dem!

[bennyblack1]

I would agree with that statement. A good example is that supposing that I have a wife, and two kids. I have a job that supports them all. I buy them food, clothes, and provide health care for them. I pay the bills(house payment, electricity, water, car payment, gas for the car, insurance..etc). Then someone else''s kids waltz into the house and expect to get the same treatment as I give my own kids. The wife walks in and starts taking food out of the refrigerator. One of her kids gets sick, and she expects me to take them to the hospital and pay for their care. Then her rent becomes due, and she thinks I''m going to take care of that too. Well, my job only support ONE family of four, not seven. I already have a wife and two kids. I don''t need a sub-set to take care of.

This is essentially what illegal aliens are doing. They are expecting us to take care of them as well as our own, and we simply can''t. Illegal aliens are children to a different set of parents that need to take responsibility for them.

[wmb1957]

ramos937: It is not productive to label those that are against illegal immigration as "hate Republicans" or anti-hispanic. Indeed prior to my posting yours is the only post that mentioned hate or hispanic. Though the article does mention hispanics.
Hate doesn''t have anything to do with it, except for those that resort to cheap tactics because they don''t have facts.
Since all illegal immigrants are not hispanics or all hispanics illegal immigrants, ethnic heritage really has nothing to do with the discussion. Its a troll tactic.
Apparently you do not believe the Senator should have told American citizens how much they are paying for providing this service? We prefer a government that does communicate with us, rather then plotting behind closed doors with "stakeholders" to the benefit of those that are not citizens.

[bennyblack1]

Then, they drag that same poverty stricken mentality here.

[bennyblack1]

What I really need to know is, what is El Presidente in Mexico doing about it? Nothing. He''s blaming America for the Illegal Alien problem. He''s content with that. I don''t see him building manufacturing plants, producing cars, creating textiles, drilling for oil, or doing something to create a better economy so that Mexicans would want to stay there. I see a caste system in place. The rich and priviledged, and the poor agricultural communities. The rich have nice houses and cars, while the agricultural communities live in communes and walk or ride a bike. What are illegal drugs here, they offer to the general public in the pharmacies. So, the poor communities work hard for their money, then spend it on alcohol and drugs. Then, have nothing to show for it.

[bennyblack1]

Anayeli;
I think the confusion is that the Constitution states that a person is an American citizen if born on American soil. However, I think our founding forefathers didn''t expand upon that by mistake. I would think that they assumed that Americans having children on American soil, whether on a military post, embassy, or commonwealth, were American citizens. I don''t actually believe that this law pertains to illegal aliens having children on American soil. An apple tree produces apples. A pear tree produces pears. An apple tree does not, however, produce pears. Being in a MacDonalds doesn''t make you a hamburger. Americans breed Americans. Illegal aliens breed illegal aliens. So, a Mexican that has children on American soil doesn''t make the children Americans. The children are STILL Mexicans. The whole family needs to be deported.

[bennyblack1]

And, how many military posts have this influx of illegal aliens around it? That is unknown as well, since most military post commanders are only concerned with what goes on INSIDE it. As a result, it is even questionable as to just how many soldiers in all branches are taking a part in illegal activities with illegal aliens.

[anayeli-2009]

Sorry for the multitude of posts. It wasn''t clear that my post was published. The courts have not found that babies born to those intentionally violating our federal laws fit into the description in the 14th.

[bennyblack1]

And the police? There aren''t enough police to deal with it. There isn''t an immigrant watchdog office here, and being that it''s real close to an army post, it would just seem that there would be some protective measures by the federal government put in place to deal with the situation. There aren''t any. How many of these illegal immigrants are radical Islamic? How many are Al Queda? How many are radical Pakstani terrorists? WE DON''T KNOW!!!

[ramos937]

House Minority Leader John Boehner recently issued a press release charging that providing health care to illegal immigrants "increase[s] the tax burden on American families," while conservative commentators like Michelle Malkin are more naked in their hysteria, warning that the United States is in the midst of becoming "the land of the limit-less health care handout for ''undocumented immigrants.''" The same article points out that a recent study found that only 1% of illegals come here for free health care.

In any case, Rep. Boehner is representative of the hate Republicans have for illegal immigrants; a subject Hispanics care very much about. Re.p Boehner and his kind have labeled the GOP as anti Hispanic. In 11/2008, the GOP will reap what it has planted.

[bennyblack1]

Um, and excuse me...I didn''t invite the cheap labor. You need to go talk to the greedy corporate giants that make plenty of money to pay quality, educated, and trained Americans to do the jobs. Talk to the educators and farmers, who do not place enough emphasis on American agriculture. Talk to the small business owner who over schedules himself, and takes to picking up "whoever is willing." There is no application filled out, no I-9 form, no questions of citizenship, no inquiry of a criminal record, no asking for an ID or green card...if the guy can understand "point and grunt," he''s hired.

[bennyblack1]

She''s trying to make me fit into that category of, "I don''t have a choice, so take the money...AND the bad treatment, too." I''ve paid my rent for 6 months, and she''s going to pay me penny wages and treat me like a dog! Forget it! I''ve got a choice. I work for her because I WANT to, not because I have to. I quit last night.

[bennyblack1]

No. There simply shouldn''t be any Americans housing Illegal immigrants. Granted, they seem to be really nice people, but ya know something? There is a lady here in town who is an American Korean who houses illegal aliens. Who just so happens to be my landlord. They can''t pay rent and they work for her for a place to live and penny wages for electricity. They find the food on their own, pretty much. There was one guy that happen to be selling beds, but because none of his family speaks English, I went to find him to pay for the bed. His wife thought I wanted to buy her time for s.e.x. She came out and "agreed" to the price of $20, and proceeded to invite me in. I only wanted to find her husband so that I could pay for the bed I picked up from him. Now, what situation could that have gotten me into? So, if they are willing to allow prostitution in their own families, what ELSE are they doing? I can tell you that. I see it every day but Monday. Partying all night long. Drugs, alcohol, prostitution. They are illegal, undocumented workers that need to be dealt with.