Comments on: A Nonsensical Plan For Iraq

National Review Online: Proposal By Sens. Lugar And Warner Undercut's President Bush's Authority

[tbweb]

When I first started participating in these Blogs at CBS I use to get angry at the way some blasted the Government and its administration of programs. But as someone correctly pointed out, at what point do you speak up, whats the trigger, whats the point that you say 'OK, I have to say something', I no longer think its unpatriotic to speak out in a correct way on certain issues. For example, Hurricane Katrina was a disaster, but what compounded the natural disaster and made it even worst was the way it was handled. Just when I thought we were moving past that, the Government now reports Trailers full of ice for Katrina sufferers were never delivered and must now be melted or destroyed because the Government says its not safe to use. Cost to Taxpayers for the unused ice = $36 Million wasted dollars, they can get angry all they want, I think that kind of waste and mismanagement is pathetic, yeah, nice job Brownie! Undercuts Bush's authority? Why not? Look at how the $36 Million Dollar Ice was mismanaged like everything else! Is there any choice, stepping in is forced! If people keep looking the other way, how much more will be lost along with the 3,601 American deaths in Iraq?

[bluestardad]

WHEN WILL CBS GET RID OF THESE PRO-ISRAELI RAGS!

THEIR PROPAGANDA IS SICKENING!


THEY WOULD GLADLY SELL ALL AMERICANS FOR THE POLICY OF ISRAEL!

IRAQ IS NOT IN AMERICAS NATIONAL INTEREST!

[wogerwabbit]

al Qaeda, al Qaeda, al Qaeda. Rinse... repeat, until we believe their lies. Al Qaeda was never in Iraq prior to the invasion. We have them right where they want us.

[joenc-2009]

The NRO continues to act as a mouth piece for administration's failures.

They are wrong over and over, but expect us to just trust them and let this mess continue as is forever.

If they are so sure that the surge is the best plan, then they should provide some metrics which reflect their confidence.

They have no idea what they are doing. So they have no metrics.

GW and the NRO are just running out the clock.

[one_american]

"The Iraq debate is in a sorry state when something like the Lugar-Warner amendment passes for a serious proposal. At least they are providing a kind of constitutional lesson: in why the Founders, in their wisdom, didn't want Congress to conduct wars."

EXACTLY.

And yet this doesn't even touch the sheer absurdity of the "pull out now, no matter what" position of the lunatic left!

"We succeeded in toppling Saddam and ending his weapons-of-mass-destruction threat after the initial invasion."
Wow! The non-existent WMD threat was stopped! Why does the NRO still mention this? Did they miss the "no WMD" memo?

[monty_4]

I think...I would like to see the next president keep Bush/Cheney on as the people to clean up Iraq. Could there be a better justice, I wonder? Perhaps a role as abitrator/mitigator would finally teach them the folly of their steadfast, unthinking course of action...and, God help us, they might actually learn something of the world outside of their own.

Ah...who am I kidding? People like them never learn.

[pumaespiritu]

This article wasn't journalistic but rather an opinion almost parallel with the views held by the Whitehouse. Is there a reason for this?

[andor3]

Sens. Lugar and Warner must be relieved to see the NRO editors are not in agreement with them--it's not exactly validation, but it is a good sign for their plan's sanity.

Incidentally, these NRO pieces get sillier and more convoluted. Did they forget the power to declare war and fund military operations rests with the congress? So Senators reining in the President isn't "undermining," it is doing their job.

[ioweign]

A conservative newspaper has a different opinion!


Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Editorial
Sunday, July 15, 2007

Follow the link!
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_517212.html

[terrapin78]

The only sensible plan is to let the Iraqis fight it out amongst themselves with us out of there!

[getit1776]

"Sens. *** Lugar and John Warner have gotten together and given birth" WHAT! A child out of wedlock??

[samthetvcat]

pt 1
"Perhaps what Lugar and Warner object to is that we have been fighting in the environment of a hotter civil war since the Samarra bombing of February 2006 (an al Qaeda operation). But the surge has begun to tamp down this intensified level of sectarian violence."

omg - you ignoramuses are just never going to crack open the Iraq Study Group report are you? Here are some snippets:

"The Shia have gained power for the first time in more than 1,300 years. Above all, many Shia are interested in preserving that power. [T]here is a reluctance to reach a political accommodation with the Sunnis or to disarm Shiite militias.

Militias are currently seen as legitimate vehicles of political action. Shia political leaders make distinctions between the Sunni insurgency (which seeks to overthrow the government) and Shia militias (which are used to fight Sunnis, secure neighborhoods, and maximize power within the government)."

[samthetvcat]

pt 2
"Sunni Arabs feel displaced because of the loss of their traditional position of power in Iraq. They remain angry about U.S. decisions to dissolve Iraqi security forces and to pursue the "de-Baathification". Sunnis are confronted by paradoxes: they have opposed the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq but need those forces to protect them against Shia militias; they chafe at being governed by a majority Shia administration but reject a federal, decentralized Iraq and do not see a Sunni autonomous region as feasible for themselves.

Sunni Arabs have not made the strategic decision to abandon violent insurgency in favor of the political process. Sunni politicians within the government have a limited level of support and influence among their own population, and questionable influence over the insurgency."

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Evidence before the surge that Shiites were not cool with the idea of national unity: Iraqi parliament invited Iranian revolutionary guard to visit, chants of 'Muqtada' at Saddam's execution, no progress on oil sharing or de-Baathification, etc

Evidence now that the Shiites are still not cool with the idea of national unity: still no progress on oil sharing or de-Baathification, Al Maliki saying please leave, Al Maliki's 2nd in command expressing anger at troops giving guns, and legitimate authority to fight to Shiite militia to Sunnis, etc

[johnshaft4]

This drivel might have made sense if we had a 'President' to "undermine" instead of a retarded, loser, girly man, twerp.

[tejasdemo]

Another Nonsensical (is this an actual word ?) article about Iraq by this group of idiot "journalists" working for the National Embarassment.

[samthetvcat]

"the Lugar-Warner amendment says President Bush shall "initiate planning" for a drawdown in forces, and present his plan to Congress %u2014 including "results from modeling and simulation efforts by appropriate departments and agencies of the U.S. government" %u2014 no later than October 16, 2007. This would be a meaningless exercise except as a way to create more political pressure to adopt an Iraq Study Group%u2013style drawdown."

First off, Bush started lowering expectations for September as early as May. Second off, it's late July and Iraqi parliament are taking August off because it's hot. So if one is being realistic, one has to conclude that the report is not going to be any different then than it is now.

Faced with the choice of either taking a mental vacation along with the Iraqi parliament or planning for the inevitable no matter how distasteful, what would a responsible person do? Of course they'd plan. Bush is an escapist - he's been that way his whole life when faced with adversity . . . C student who bragged to his teachers about his family connections getting him though life, flaked on the National Guard in a time of war, got addicted to cocaine while his kids were young (?), continued to immerse himself in My Pet Goat when told of 9/11 . . . He TALKS a tough game, but his actions do NOT demonstrate resiliency when the chips are down.

[ioweign]

National Review Online, Does this date, 20 March 2003, ring any bells. Was there any Plan in the first place? Legal scholars have suggested that the war was a "crime of aggression," as defined in the Nuremberg Principles. U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan echoed this assessment in September 2004 when he called the war illegal. Bring the Troops Home!

[feelfree1]

RE: "A Nonsensical Plan For Iraq"

This summarizes everything presented by the dead-brained traitors, and compulsive liars of the National Review Online, on this topic, for the past 5 years!

[macusweil]

For once the NRO is right on the money!!

We need new leadership in the worst way.

The Repubs have bitten off more than they can chew. It's obvious our government has failed to win the war on terror. Further the conflict the President started in Iraq has set the effort back and emboldened terrorist around the world. The evil doers have seen all the knee jerk reactions of the US and have measured their success by how poorly we have been able to respond.