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by estuardo40 June 11, 2007 5:16 PM EDT
According to news accounts, the idea came from his son Franklin.

By all accounts, Franklin Graham is a shrewd businessman. Makes sense from that standpoint, because Franklin needs to keep his empire rolling after old Billy departs from this world...


Posted by jimfinster at 02:05 PM : Jun 11, 2007

What this has to do with Billy, I don't know. Franklin, (and he knows this better than I do) will have to explain his actions to God, and is no reflection on what Billy has done.

Yet I find this hard to believe about Franklin. He would be the first to tell you about his exploits in his youth, but quick to tell you about how God changed his life, and it shows in his actions.

The bottom line, I hope and pray that God, through his mercy and grace, would give me the same peace and humility he gave to Billy. If we all could reflect more of Christ like he does!!
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by wfbdem June 11, 2007 5:11 PM EDT
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. - Ghandi

Perfect. This is why I left christianity. I believe in Christ's teachings, not the rightwing hate filled "faithful."
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by donnie900 June 11, 2007 5:09 PM EDT
Or are you sick with the deceiver?
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by donnie900 June 11, 2007 5:05 PM EDT
You religious people? I want you to think about something. I want you to think about what you're becoming. About what you're dragging us all into. And not about the outcome! The outcome is over the horizon. But about the representation.

Does God want you to represent him? Does God need you to represent him?
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by jimfinster June 11, 2007 5:05 PM EDT
estuardo40:

According to news accounts, the idea came from his son Franklin.

By all accounts, Franklin Graham is a shrewd businessman. Makes sense from that standpoint, because Franklin needs to keep his empire rolling after old Billy departs from this world...

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by estuardo40 June 11, 2007 4:52 PM EDT
Hmmm, his son Franklin said it was modeled after a Presidential Library. Ego and hubris. Based on the information I have seen, it clearly WAS built in his honor.


Posted by jimfinster at 01:25 PM : Jun 11, 2007

It may be someone elses ego, (or guilt for that matter), but not Billy's. And if the intent was to honor him, who better than he?

He's a great man, (yes, just a man) but one who dedicated his life to serve God, by spreading the Good News of Jesus Christ. Billy is too humble a person to accept gratitude of this magnitude, and God doesn't resent the fact that Billy is getting praise. He spread the word of the Gospel to Billions!!, and his name will forever be remembered with those who helped champion the cause of reaching out to the lost.
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by estuardo40 June 11, 2007 4:52 PM EDT
Hmmm, his son Franklin said it was modeled after a Presidential Library. Ego and hubris. Based on the information I have seen, it clearly WAS built in his honor.


Posted by jimfinster at 01:25 PM : Jun 11, 2007

It may be someone elses ego, (or guilt for that matter), but not Billy's. And if the intent was to honor him, who better than he?

He's a great man, (yes, just a man) but one who dedicated his life to serve God, by spreading the Good News of Jesus Christ. Billy is too humble a person to accept gratitude of this magnitude, and God doesn't resent the fact that Billy is getting praise. He spread the word of the Gospel to Billions!!, and his name will forever be remembered with those who helped champion the cause of reaching out to the lost.
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by donnie900 June 11, 2007 4:46 PM EDT
.. or it will never end.
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by jimfinster June 11, 2007 4:45 PM EDT
Organized religion is all about money. It preys on people's fears and rakes in the cash, all tax free.
Posted by clestes at 01:32 PM : Jun 11, 2007

It may be all about money for the high-rolling televangelists. But I don't knock religion in general, because it gives millions of people hope and peace of mind. That is worth something, even if it is a placebo :)

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by clestes-2009 June 11, 2007 4:32 PM EDT
God, what ***. Graham never saved America. All he did was rake in a bunch of money from a bunch of suseptable fools including Bush Sr.

Organized religion is all about money. It preys on people's fears and rakes in the cash, all tax free.
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by jimfinster June 11, 2007 4:31 PM EDT
-Religion is not the answer. Jesus Christ is.
Posted by singinrick at 11:51 AM : Jun 11, 2007

Ummm, I think Christianity IS a religion :)

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by donnie900 June 11, 2007 4:30 PM EDT
If you can't do good? If you can't represent who you think you're representing? Best not even try. Because you'll do the thing a misjustice. You'll make it a thing of shame..
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by jimfinster June 11, 2007 4:25 PM EDT
BTW, if you watch the accompanying video from Byron Pitts, you would find out that this wasn't built to honor him (my mistake), but for others to see and hear the message of the Gospel. If someone sees this as a tribute to him, instead of Jesus, then that's their fault, not his.
Posted by estuardo40 at 11:48 AM : Jun 11, 2007

Hmmm, his son Franklin said it was modeled after a Presidential Library. Ego and hubris. Based on the information I have seen, it clearly WAS built in his honor.

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by donnie900 June 11, 2007 4:23 PM EDT
The danger we face whenever we take on the devil, is that the devil will want to take us on in turn. And its a world of extremes, and no compromise. Nobody listening anymore. Nobody even trying to. And we're too big for that. It used to be that a war here? A war there? And it was no big deal. But not anymore. Now? The whole world watches. And you better do good before the eyes of the Lord. You better do good..
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by donnie900 June 11, 2007 4:10 PM EDT
Well, I generally believe its wrong and cheap to put stuff like this on television all the time, and to stick it in politics. Like Hillary Clinton said, wearing their religion on their sleeves. They make blanket statements free of unintended consequence and complications. Siting God and other people in their religion as their constituencies. But I also believe its wrong to ban God from government. A man or a woman of religious can't separate his or her beliefs from who they are as representatives, and shouldn't have to, or be required to.

Theres a risk you take whenever you're overly vocal about anything, and not just a religion. And that risk is misrepresentation. And the making of the problem worse than it was before by looking cheap. We've never been able to properly convey faith in the political arena without justifying violating somebody else's rights to prove our points, and stepping on people. But that doesn't mean it isn't right to try, and not step on people or violate anybody's rights. The Separation of Church and State crowd were genuinely afraid of the religious right, and look what happened. And now the religious right crowd is genuinely afraid of their own things, and look whats happening.

People should be humble, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Absolutism is what Jefferson was after, not religion.
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by grazinggoat June 11, 2007 3:58 PM EDT
This guy has hijacked the USA population to put them under slavery for a structure that keeps brainwashing them, from the liberal innerside of HUMAN. No 'criticizing' education is promoted by the church, any church! it's all thoughts submissive domintaion.

Remember PinkFloyd no thought control? well it was a call from the heart to liberation.

Humanity has jumped to its actual state of knowledge, partly because it has left the church behind. I'm not saying all the discoveries have been great for Humans (nukes), nonetheless all Human's health and affiliated aspects' discoveries have been made by humans who did not give a damm about religion. They were more prone to intellectual structurism, intellectual questioning and logics.

-Church has contributed to enslave and endoctrine the ordinary-levelled spirits by brainwashing them, in order to prepare them to accept the sacrifice of their souls by enrolling in the Armed Forces.

-If this is not what the church has done, then what did the church do? What else?

-If this is what Billy Graham has provided the Nation with? The Fighting Flesh, for crusade, well thanks Billy, you did a great Job for the Big profiteering Corporate America. You helped the Neocons into sacrificing the rednecks and the poor on the sands of Iraq, in order to fill up the profiteerings pockets. Great Job! The Creator will not save you from Hell's fire, Billy. Will HE?
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by jankebenz June 11, 2007 3:48 PM EDT
Jesus told us to love another as we love ourselves, then all will go well. Seems to me that has a very profound truth to it and i believe that was echoed by Billy Graham. I would confess that is very hard to do as we tend to love our selves more than others, which causes most if not all our problems.
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by donnie900 June 11, 2007 3:25 PM EDT
Billy Graham was the only guy who never really managed to embarrass me about religion. Has a knack of appearing honest. All those other guys seem to be acting when they're spazing out and acting all crazy. I'd hang my head in shame and change the channel.
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by content2-2009 June 11, 2007 3:03 PM EDT
Let us remember..To God be the Glory-not any man in any way.
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by gangesdak June 11, 2007 3:00 PM EDT
The moment religious leaders speak of the flesh they are not spiritualist, no matter how popular they could be in the eyes of the population in terms of patriotism and common family values. Common family values do not need a religious leader; the inner compass guides everyone on the right path. Message of the spirit is to be untainted with money, temptation, power. Billy graham is no spiritualist, neither was Jerry Falwel. Billy Graham was a small man- a fake- who fell for money, greed,power. A common person shows more (Christian or otherwise) values in their life.
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