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- If we let the government start letting the church decide the lives of women then our country and our souls are truly lost.
Posted by dragonez
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Is abortion about the mother only? What about the baby?
IT IS NOT A CHOICE, IT IS A LIFE!!!! - Reply to this comment
- If we let the government start letting the church decide the lives of women then our country and our souls are truly lost.
Posted by dragonez
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Is abortion about the mother only? What about the baby?
IT IS NOT A CHOICE, IT IS A LIFE!!!! - Reply to this comment
- If we let the government start letting the church decide the lives of women then our country and our souls are truly lost.
Posted by dragonez
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Is abortion about the mother only? What about the baby?
IT IS NOT A CHOICE, IT IS A LIFE!!!! - Reply to this comment
- What if the woman didn't have unprotected ***? What if she were raped? Can she then have an abortion? If so why does this child have less right to life than a child born from unprotected consensual ***? I doubt you cons can answer this question in a consistent manner and the reason for that is your concern for the fertilized egg and you lack of concern for the rights of the mother to do with her body what she wishes.
Posted by elz523
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elz,
if what you are concerned with is the right of the woman to do with her body as she pleases, tell me do you think we should allow her to be a suicide bomber? It is her body right? If you want consistent answers, answer that one. In these situations only one will take the life of another without fail, but that seems to be the one you favor.
The difference in aborting the baby due to rape and aborting the baby due to your carelessness is so vast that I should not even have to explain it to you, but I will anyway.
If one makes a mistake and has to pay for it with the life of another, that is careless neglect. If a crime is perpetrated upon someone and they need to put it behind them by ending a pregnancy, which is different than doing so for selfish, careless reasons.
The foundation of the reason is much the same as the reason one might kill to save country, but not kill for fun. - Reply to this comment
- What if the woman didn't invite the cells into her body? What if she were raped? Can she then remove them?
Posted by elz523
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That is a good question and I would be inclined to say that and health reasons are the only legit reasons I could find for an abortion. However, I think that will lead to women claiming rape and health issues, when neither are the case in reality. All that being said I think it would still be something that would have to be allowed, but in the case of rape, only during the 1st trimester. - Reply to this comment
- I am sure you firmly believe you are right and everybody else is wrong. That's called "arrogance" and "self-importance" and I hope it makes you sleep better at night.
Posted by sy2502
How is anyone here different than that, you included?
It's easy to sit in your nice house, with your nice bank account, not a care in the world, and tell people struggling in situations harder than you can ever imagine, what to do. Posted by sy2502
Now you show you are the one to jump to conclusions, just because someone wants to save a life does not mean they are rich or even financially independent.
It is easy to have your fun and then pay for it with the life of another human being.
I feel it the girl/woman who carries the unborn.I don't see sexual acts as fun.
Posted by MichelleM99
I appreciate all you went through Michelle, but many other women and men find sexual acts as a fulfilling thing. Just because there is such an act does not mean the man is abusive.
The problem is when those participating of their own free will do not take responsibility for their actions until after another living human is involved. If you are able to make the choice to do the act, take responsibility then, not after another life is involved. - Reply to this comment
- I can't believe you all.If GOD hadn't made us you would not be here.We all are sinners and only saved by the grace of GOD though JESUS CHRIST,I would hate to know I killed a baby,I would have to live with my guilt for all my life.JESUS may forgive but I could not forgive myself.
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- janem4 I don't believe you are pro choice! You have the same set of phraseology most of the pro life people have. Most of the time the procedure is done to save the life of the mother! You would be hard put to find a doctor that would do it for any other reason! It may be the sort of procedure you discribe, I will not argue that point with you. But, where do you figure the life of a fetus in the womb is more important than the life of the mother? In all reality you are condemning the mother to death! You are choosing to kill another human being to save another! How can people like you live with yourselves knowing you have condemned a woman to death? You are little better than what you rail against!
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- Looks like we will keep taking these giant steps backwards into darkness until Jan. 2009.
When sanity finally prevails we can try to catch up with the rest of the world concerning things like stem cell research to irradicate many horrible afflections. - Reply to this comment
- I heard horror stuff about abortion.Forgive me dragonez I have never heard of a child being forced to bear abortion at 12. No dear you did not kill your baby boy.
I feel the church don't know every thing so therefore I don't attend as they each preach some thing different.
The church and govt have no business in the lives of us women to tell us this or that.Jesus is in the heart not a building.
The cross of abortion is painful and is there for along time. - Reply to this comment
- Alright conservative men, time to buck up. Since women must abide by the choices of men who get them pregnant (I guess conservatives forgot that part), men must also have a physical responsibility to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
Males must be required at the age of 12 to have on/off valves installed on their vas deferens, with the valves shut off until they are mature enough to accept parental responsibility in writing.
Even then, I would be unbelievably angered if my daughter was raped and forced to carry the baby, just because strange people who like to force their personal values on others don't care about her.
Just like our vice president, a near-man who lacks military experience and enjoys his dictation over the military, these self-righteous interpreters of law need to stop pretending they know what is best for anyone who is pregnant. - Reply to this comment
- I got pregnant when I was 12, I wanted the baby. I kept it a secret because I knew my mother would force me to have an abortion. A friend told our preacher, who forced me to tell my mother who forced me to have an abortion. I was 6 months, it was done by saline injection in an abandonded wing of a closed down part of an old hospital. I watched my dead son be born. The nurse told me it would have been a healthy boy if I hadn't killed it. My mother watched me and told me to quit crying I deserved this.
One would think that having gone through this I would be an adamant pro-lifer but I am not.
I personally believe abortion is wrong and no matter what happened in my life I could never do it again. But until GOD comes down and tells me I have the right to make decisions for other people I will always be adamantly pro-choice. You can't know whats in another persons life or make their choices for them. One of the saddest things anyone has ever said to me about abortion was. "When my sister was 19 I took her to have an abortion because it would have killed my mother who was such a faithful Christian.
If we let the government start letting the church decide the lives of women then our country and our souls are truly lost. - Reply to this comment
- I got pregnant when I was 12, I wanted the baby. I kept it a secret because I knew my mother would force me to have an abortion. A friend told our preacher, who forced me to tell my mother who forced me to have an abortion. I was 6 months, it was done by saline injection in an abandonded wing of a closed down part of an old hospital. I watched my dead son be born. The nurse told me it would have been a healthy boy if I hadn't killed it. My mother watched me and told me to quit crying I deserved this.
One would think that having gone through this I would be an adamant pro-lifer but I am not.
I personally believe abortion is wrong and no matter what happened in my life I could never do it again. But until GOD comes down and tells me I have the right to make decisions for other people I will always be adamantly pro-choice. You can't know whats in another persons life or if God is using this as a message to teach someone a lesson. One of the saddest things anyone has ever said to me about abortion was. "When my sister was 19 I took her to have an abortion because it would have killed my mother who was such a faithful Christian.
If we let the government start letting the church decide the lives of women then our country and our souls are truly lost. - Reply to this comment
- Then she shouldn't have had unprotected ***. You can throw every excuse in the book out and non will hold water. As far as me not giving a *** about "these women", that's your opinion. What I care about is people taking responsibility for their own life and "mistakes". Roe V. Wade gave stupid people an easy way out. This world would be a better place if abortion was abolished and replaced with a new found respect for LIFE!
Posted by katg21 at 06:45 PM : May 16, 2007
What if the woman didn't have unprotected ***? What if she were raped? Can she then have an abortion? If so why does this child have less right to life than a child born from unprotected consensual ***? I doubt you cons can answer this question in a consistent manner and the reason for that is your concern for the fertilized egg and you lack of concern for the rights of the mother to do with her body what she wishes. - Reply to this comment
- It is the point that the baby was invited into the woman's body, by the woman. Do not think you are the only one effected by your abortion decision.
Posted by guysdigdirt at 06:21 PM : May 16, 2007
What if the woman didn't invite the cells into her body? What if she were raped? Can she then remove them? - Reply to this comment
- I will try to be as kind as I can. I feel it the girl/woman who carries the unborn.I don't see sexual acts as fun. Abuse by controling men.
I was dumped in foster care.I was moved from home to home growing up. I was abused.Back then nobody cared. I was used so that the foster parents got state money. They did not care I was abused. They looked the other way. Never got a proper education. I was born legally blind and handicapped. They would not teach a blind child. So I tryed to learn as best as I could. This was pre computer in the home. I grad at 19 poorly schooled. Sent to a blind centre.At the blind centre treated as child and every thing censored.I wanted no part of their games. So I walked out. Yes I was scared. No family. I can't relate to the well to do. I can relate to the poor who have to do the best they can..Abortion saves women and tho the pain will alway be there. Life is not always pretty. sy2502 is wise and smart. I am 52. - Reply to this comment
- As far as me not giving a *** about "these women", that's your opinion.
Posted by katg21 at 06:45 PM : May 16, 2007
Uh, right, you care? You have no idea in what situations some people are, or have been. It's easy to sit in your nice house, with your nice bank account, not a care in the world, and tell people struggling in situations harder than you can ever imagine, what to do. Again, arrogance and callousness show through the "christian love" veneer. - Reply to this comment
- I am sure you firmly believe you are right and everybody else is wrong. That's called "arrogance" and "self-importance" and I hope it makes you sleep better at night.
Posted by sy2502 at 06:25 PM : May 16, 2007
Now there's one thing you are right about. - Reply to this comment
- Many of these women who need an abortion have crappy jobs, and could easily lose them, if they had to take the pregnancy to term, have to take the time off, go back and forth to doctors then the delivery, the recovery, etc. Not to mention many don't have health insurance. Who's going to pay for that, you? Who's going to give them a job after they lose the one they had? Oh sorry, I forgot that you don't give a *** about those women.
Posted by sy2502 at 06:25 PM : May 16, 2007
Then she shouldn't have had unprotected ***. You can throw every excuse in the book out and non will hold water. As far as me not giving a *** about "these women", that's your opinion. What I care about is people taking responsibility for their own life and "mistakes". Roe V. Wade gave stupid people an easy way out. This world would be a better place if abortion was abolished and replaced with a new found respect for LIFE! - Reply to this comment
- Why not "rectify the mistake" by giving the "mistake" to a family who will love it?
Posted by katg21 at 05:10 PM : May 16, 2007
It that's how you feel, you do that! Who's stopping you from doing what you think is right?
No, it's much easier to just suck it out of your body and kill it huh?
Posted by katg21 at 05:10 PM : May 16, 2007
Many of these women who need an abortion have crappy jobs, and could easily lose them, if they had to take the pregnancy to term, have to take the time off, go back and forth to doctors then the delivery, the recovery, etc. Not to mention many don't have health insurance. Who's going to pay for that, you? Who's going to give them a job after they lose the one they had? Oh sorry, I forgot that you don't give a *** about those women.
Keep telling yourself it's not a human life if it will make you sleep better at night.
Posted by katg21 at 05:10 PM : May 16, 2007
Let me crack the news to you: not everybody agrees with you on that. We wouldn't be debating the subject if it was such a clear cut thing. I am sure you firmly believe you are right and everybody else is wrong. That's called "arrogance" and "self-importance" and I hope it makes you sleep better at night. - Reply to this comment
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