Comments on: Keeping The Pro-Life Movement Alive

National Review: On Roe's Anniversary, A Call To Keep Fighting

[lfitts1]

The problem is highlighted by mgpm--"with gods help"--that is by definition a religious debate--keep god out of legislation and out of government--believe as you wish--just don't force me to accept the same.

[marcodele]

Kudos to lfitss' post. In their attempt to impersonate morally mature people, the Republicans diagnosed Terry Shiavo from a videotape in D.C. Jeb Bush started his short-lived presidential campaign by claiming he saw Terry Schiavo make eye contact. This is the tragedy we get when we let politicians interfere in family's personal and moral health care choices.

Of course, the scientists' autopsy proved poor Terry Shiavo was brain dead long ago, while the politicians in D.C. and the Florida governor's mansion batted her around like an electoral ping pong ball.

Those are your "family values" "Pro-life" polticians - otherwise known as Charletons.
Keep them out of my body, away from my physician, and please, keep your vote out of their pockets. Don't let them take a political office based on one small emotional issue when there are thousand of more important issues that could result in the loss of millions of lives.

[global_chick]

I'm not sure why the President keeps coming up in this discussion. What he did or did not do is beside the point, in my opinion. The question should be, is abortion wrong or not, and should it be overturned?

[global_chick]

With all due respect, I have a problem when people sugarcoat abortion with words that would appear positive: Let's be clear: It's not a "choice" and it's not a "reproductive decision." Choices and decisions are what you make when deciding what shirt to wear or what car drive. Abortion is "I don't want a child, so I am going to pay someone to off it." Plain and simple.

[mgpm-2009]

I think the Pro Life movement would do better to get out of the trying to make abortion illegal arena and start trying to make abortion less attractive. Help families, give support to women, provide B/C, education, give better advice to our young people.

[mgpm-2009]

I agree with you, Global Chick. I have four children. My third child I almost lost at 11 weeks, I started to miscarry. I had to stay in bed the remainder of the pregnancy or I'd certainly lose the baby. I had a 50 50 chance at best the dr. said. With God's help, I had him, and he's 6 now. He began reading at age 2, he writes his own songs...he's gifted. I often wonder what my life would be like with out him. I also wonder what treasures are thrown away every single day.
I can't help but believe abortion is a crime against nature.

But the people who claim to be champions against it are not champions against it. I don't believe them. I don't believe GWB cares. He doesn't have a conscience.

[lfitts1]

First of all it is NOT A PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT--it is the antiabortion movement.

Second--no one makes these decisions lightly--but like free speech it is a slippery slope to try to control someone elses body

Third--no one is FOR abortion--it is not like apple pie--it is more like taxes--a necessary evil.

Most antiabortionists think life begins at conception and end at birth--they are unwilling to commit the resources to give quality to those born. Making the decison to have an abortion is a difficulat one and one that is made for a myriad of reasons--birth control failed, genetic abnormalities, lacking the resources to raise and feed another mouth. This 'straw man' of "partial birth abortion" is just that. That is a medical procedure that is done specificly when large abnormailities are seen in the fetus late in gestation--anencephaly(basicly no brain).

As a physician--the choice of medical procedures is between a patient and the doctor--not the state legislature--they don't tell doctors whether to do an appendectomy laporoscopicly or open--the legislature has no standing in this devbate--keep laws out of patients rights.

The other interesting thing is that the Republicans are amazing adept at pushing hot button issues in order to hide their lack of ideas in all other facets of running the country. They are morally bankrupt, but yell family values from the rafters--don't get sucked in!!!

[marcodele]

What has any voter gained by voting for the so called pro-life candidate? Did any one of them try to outlaw abortions?

Don't waste your votes on these snake oil salesmen. Even if abortion was illegal many women would still choose to have them.

Nobody is for abortion. But a majority of people are for a woman's choice about her own reproductive options.

[global_chick]

My point has been proven: We live in a society where not only time, but now people, are money. Children are no longer valued. Instead they are seen as a hindrance, a financial burden to be done away with, and a "political tool" or a "wedge issue." The vast majority of you on this board represent, in my opinion, everything that is wrong with society: it has a black soul. That's because it's all about "me, me, me" and to hell with you if you get in my way. It's all about my political views, and to hell with you if you get in my way. It's about some supposed "right" to murder a child. Where is that in the Constitution?

It's no longer about a child (and yes, it is clearly a child, if you have actually seen any photos of a developing fetus). I only hope that in time we can all see the error of that way.

Stop thinking about yourselves for once and think about the child. This isn't about "beliefs": It's about whether or not it is right to cut up a tiny human. I'm willing to bet that most of you on here who are pro-abortion have never seen a picture of a butchered fetus. I dare you to look one up and see if it affects you in any way.

[mgpm-2009]

I believe life begins at conception. I'm against abortion. But I can't see anything the right has done, really, in the last thirty five years to radically reduce abortions or eliminate them. (With the exception of Carter and Clinton, the presidencies have all been thiers during that time!) The only thing the right does is to the the pro life vote. Bush couldn't even be bothered to make an appearance today at the rally in DC. Too busy counting the dead in Iraq I guess. It most definitely is NOT an issue the right really gives a flying fig about and it's about time the American public figures it out. The Dems ought to figure it out too, and talk about ways to REDUCE the NEED for abortions, ie. health care, supports for women and families, etc. That would make sense.

[lambofgoth]

If "All life is sacred" then these fools really need to stop taking antibiotics.

Some idiot is posting about how baby's heart is beating at 18 days. It wouldn't survive without the mother's body. Neither would a tapeworm.

Keep Bush out of mine.

[dallison7]

To all ladies out there,

If you lived under a strict, fundalmentist, Islamic regime you would be required to completely cover your face when in public because that is what you should do, based on their religious beliefs. If you chose not to follow their beliefs you would be forced. There are millions of American men and women who do not share the belief that a tiny specimen of tissue is equal to a living, breathing, thinking human. These people believe it is wrong to place more value on this piece of tissue than the quality of life of a functioning human being. No matter how strongly you believe in an issue, wether you follow christian, muslim or any other doctrine, you do not have the right to force your beliefs on those who believe differently. I have never heard of an abortion advocate attempting to force a pro-life advocate to have an abortion... same thing.

[marcodele]

I think the abortion issue is a non-issue that the republican candidates toss out to their neocon lemmings who fall for it hook, line and sinker everytime. Of course, the politicians never do anything about it once they get the votes, but its a clever way to get votes for the wrong reasons from people voting irrationally.

[superdem]

There is no Right to Life - this is a hysterical human construct. A woman's choice is sancrosanct, her health issues must be between her and her doctor. PERIOD. I don't see the Right to Life movement rescuing and providing for every kid out of every institution, or putting themselve on the line to feed and educate the poor cast off souls of our society. It's easy to march to congress with roses every year, or picket clinics with photos of dead babies. Meanwhile, the world groans under the weight of the human race. The oceans are depleted of fish, the great animals have nowhere to live. The Right to Life movement is the Kill the Planet movement.

[fascistusa]

Pro-Life?

THEN STOP LORD BUSH'S WARS.

STOP THE SLAUGHTER OF OUR US SOLDIERS.

STOP THE SLAUGHTER OF IRAQIS.

STOP THE FASCIST REGIME.

[gmcnally2]

This is not about money. To ask for a guarantee of a good home and education from the adoptive family is ludicrous. Who here would rather be dead than under-educated? Who would rather kill their child than see it in a 'bad' home? It costs nothing for a mother to give up her baby, and if they are like my wife they could do it all and miss very little work. Also, there is such a huge demand for babies that many couples are adopting them from overseas. The kids that are in foster care are older and not as desirable. But any healthy baby can be adopted in a second.

[saransk]

A second comment
I personally am against abortion as birth control. But this issue has not allowed for any "grey" areas or discussion. Should abortion be available for any women who has been raped, pregnant by incest, or if the life of the mother is in doubt - without any limitations. Should a minor child be allowed to get an abortion without some adult guidence (use a court appointed guardian if need) - I don't think so (children can't get any other surgical proceedure). Should we take a look at what our children need to know to avoid this issue - without moral judgements - absolutely. Yet believeing in this middle ground get a person slammed. The Anti-Abortion crowd wants no obortions at all - without reguard for the emotional pain (how would you like it if your daughter was having a relative's or rapist's child and was reminded of that for 9 months). Yet those for individual rights can't seem to allow a discussion of the need for some rational limitations to protect those who are seeking this proceedure. And we nned to address even more - why anyone has an unwanted pregnacy these days.

[saransk]

More from self-rightous white men trying to force their religous morals on everyone. If mem could get pregnant this would never had been an issue. Whether Christianity believes or not, it has not right to force what is a religous conviction on the majority of those who either by gender or religion do not believe that life begins at conception and that a fetus has the same rights as a born individual.
The issue is not that anyone is for abortions - it is for individual rights that outweigh the religous convictions of a minority.

Why do those so against abortion also are just as against birth-control and ***-education that could prevent pregnancies.

[jimfinster]

global_chick:

The main reason for abortion is FINANCIAL. Put your money where your mouth is.

[getcentered]

Two problems I have with the "right to life folks":

1. Mind YOUR OWN business!!
If you think for one second that the decision to have an abortion is an easy one for a woman, then you are either a religious nutcase, and/or a self-righteous male. People opposing abortion don't see this as a class issue, but it is. Here's one example:

Most crimes are committed by males of the average age of 18 that come from lower class backgrounds.
Roughly 18 years after Roe v. Wade, which gave mothers the right to CHOOSE to have an abortion, CRIME RATES PLUMMETED.


2.
Right to life people are one sided in their arguments about the "rights" of innocent life.

They think life begins at conception and ends at birth.

Meaning, I don't hear anyone who opposes abortion crying out about the 100,000 or so innocent Iraqi civilians killed by the US military involvement there.