Comments on: The Consequences Of Failure In Iraq

National Review: Giving Up On Iraq Would Be Devestating, Even For The War's Critics

[Syndicate]

"Read the liberal literature of the 1990s and it was essentially a call for what George Bush is now doing".

I do remember that. Thats why I support the war. I wish people would stand for what they beleive in and not say or do something just to oppose your political rival. For example Hillary Clinton every time she opens her mouth its to tell you what she thinks you want to hear. I want someone who will tell us what they beleive. Again one of the reasons I like Bush. He does what he thinks is right even at great personal cost.

[clemenhagen1]

DogSoul: It's apparently fine that we sold weapons to BOTH Iraq and Iran at the same time. The Arab world understands that as solid Machiavellian political diplomacy. It's fine that we removed democratically elected leaders and replaced them with brutal dictators, yet now claim we simply want to spread the blessings of democracy. You label the left as traitorous hypocrites, but your boys just sold out the CIA? As for liberals being only concerned about failure in Iraq further smearing W? I hate to break it to you honey, but Captain Codpiece doesn't need a cheering section to screw this up anymore. George W. Bush possesses not a clue about history or the culture of the Middle East. It should be brutally apparent to anyone with a shred of objectivity that giving the responsibility of foreign policy to such a narrow and provincial man has been utter disaster. To even insinuate that a president as clearly intelligent as Clinton would have emulated the ignorant steps taken since 9-11 merely betrays your own ignorance. Go back and read or listen to Hans Blix or Scott Ritter, and then tell me about all them there WMD's pal.

[dogsoul]

Thank you... it's so rare to actually see any counter arguments to the liberal mass media's agenda I can hardly believe my eyes. The fact is that most liberals are really only concerned with the consequences of failure in Iraq insofar as failure will harm George Bush, the Republican party, & conservatives at large - that's it - that's what they want & everything else be d@mned. In fact, what I find most ironic is how liberals will often put forth the U.S.'s temporary allegiance with the likes of Bin Laden & Saddam against against a common foe - a tactic I'm sure Bin Laden & Saddam's people understood - yet THEY have effectively alligned themselves with Radical Islam against a common foe in George Bush. And the point is well made that if you do a bit of reading, you'll find that Clinton was on the verge of invasion for the exact same reasons, WMDs - look it up folks - in fact, even Clinton said he's have definitely gone in post 9/11. You'll also find liberals thrashed George Sr. for NOT going into Iraq to "finish the job" & for "abandoning the Iraqi people" during Desert Storm. But hey... what's the point of being liberal if you can't be a traitorous hypocrite...

[clestes-2009]

Hey, stupid, we have already lost in Iraq. Lost 3100 men, lost 300 billion dollars, lost world respect.

[shedhouserob-2009]

Vic
Spoken like a far right republican. Your only argument is against the democrats. To hell with the democrats and the republicans. Get off your platform and speak like an American. The consequences of invading Irag! that is what should have been stopped . Cheney wanted war. He represents the milatary/industrial complex and he is fronted by a guy named George bush who does as he is told. Ike warned of this as he left office.The good republican presidents, Abe Teddy, Ike and Mr. Ford would never have started this war in the name of protecting us from Terrorists. What a lie.

[gladys_over]

"War is just a fascinating parlor game to him."

A sexual thing for "VD" Hanson, no doubt.

[gladys_over]

Needless to say, Victor Davis Hanson never served a day in uniform.

War is just a fascinating parlor game to him.

[gladys_over]

"Dr. Hanson is most famous for his 2001 book Carnage and Culture in which he argued that the military dominance of Western Civilization, beginning with the ancient Greeks, is the result of certain fundamental aspects of Western culture." - Wikipedia

That's what this fool is into. "Say it loud, I'm WHITE and I'm proud !!"

Yeah, he really gives a sh**t about this little yellow boat people...

[gladys_over]

RE "Others, more soberly I think, recall instead in the interval the million-plus of boat-people, exiles, the executed, and detained..." - Victor Davis Hanson

Crocodile tears.

Hanson doesn't give a d*a*m*n about these Third World people except as useful poster boys and poster girls for his well known campaigns of glorification of European and American military violence and killing.

There would have been no boat people in Southeast Asia if the U.S. had stayed the h*e*l*l out of there, instead of financing the French attempts to recolonize "French Indochina" after WW2, with everything that followed. When has Hanson shed a single tear for Henry Kissinger's millions of victims ?

If these boat people didn't exist, Hanson and his crowd would have invented them. He wants perpetual American wars (as long as he doesn't have to fight in them personally), and he'll say and write anything to keep them going.

[nativewoman]

From Wikipedia about Victor David Hanson:

According to Hanson, Western values such as political freedom, capitalism, individualism, democracy, scientific inquiry, rationalism, and open debate form an especially lethal combination when applied to warfare. Non-Western societies can win the occasional victory when warring against a society with these Western values, writes Hanson, but the "Western way of war" will prevail in the long run. Hanson emphasizes that Western warfare is not necessarily more (or less) moral than war as practiced by other cultures; his argument is simply that the "Western way of war" is unequalled in its devastation and decisiveness

He states that these are Western Values:

Western values such as political freedom, capitalism, individualism, democracy, scientific inquiry, rationalism, and open debate

Other than capitalism, not one of those values applies to the United States under Bush.

So perhaps Hanson's beliefs regarding warfare in Iraq are incorrect since most of the western values as defined by Hanson do not apply in this situation.

Although he did get the devastation part correct as we have certainly wrought some devastation. Unfortunately it has been wrought upon the Iraqi people.