Comments on: The Consequences Of Failure In Iraq

National Review: Giving Up On Iraq Would Be Devestating, Even For The War's Critics

[johnshaft4]

Hey US!!! The REAL reason that 'Al Queda' has attacked us again is because, perhaps WE are distancing ourselves from so called 'leaders' Bush/Cheney. Let me let you in on a little secret...I find oil'gas. I am a wildcatter and in my deals I make certain everyone wins. What does Bush/Cheney have in common? These losers are a disgrace to the 'real' o/g biz. Bush/Cheney couldn't find a qt. of oil in a filling station or a drop of oil under a car.
Check out their E&P history. LOSERS! They are nothing more then 'JR Ewing' wannabes that think alinging themselves with our industry is going to add length to their needle *****. Bush/Cheney are a disgrace the "real" o/g biz and all of humanity. Bush/Cheney= *******...

[acauble1]

Well this is a new one!

Linking the hostage taking in Iran and terrorism in Lebanon and Afghanistan to the departure/retreat in Vietnam in the early 70s! Now that is a huge stretch by any imagination! Leave it to a Neo-Conservative Op/Ed writer to come up with that one.

Oh, by the way 'Hanson', Iraqis were under "better" conditions under Saddam Hussein. Prior to 2003, they had things we here in the U.S. take for granted: running water, electricity, jobs, etc. So one major thing was missing in their lives, which was the ability to publicly oppose/denounce their government leaders (specifically Saddam himself). Some actually loved Saddam and praised him. Some had to go through the charade of loving him just to avoid being sent to jail. (Hell, I've had to do that with my wife for the past five years, but knowing that the 'divorce' alternative is far worse than keeping her, then it's: "honey, I love you!" every morning, noon, and night).

I'm sure there's plenty of Iraqis, even Shiites and Kurds who may think that life under Saddam wasn't as bad as it is now! (Unfortunately, it's too late to turn back the clock as the school bell has already rung).

[clemenhagen1]

Has it ever dawned on you that perhaps the problem could be Republican fueled militarism. Reagan's solution to Afghanistan in 1979? Aid the mujahadeen. This group included the likes of Osama bin Laden and the cause of these original holy warriors gave rise to the Islamist movement today. Reagan's solution to the problem of Iran? Build up Saddam Hussein as a counter-balance to stop the spread of Khomeini's revolution. This, of course, included selling him chemical weapons. Reagan then initiated Iran-Contra which effectively sold weapons to BOTH sides. How did that work out? Saddam invaded Kuwait to recoup his losses and hola...you have the Persian Gulf War. Christian armies using the holy land as a staging ground for assaults on fellow Arabs? How did that one work out? Osama declared war on "the infidel" and now we have Captain Codpiece swaggering into a long drawn out occupation of an Arab country, with secret deals for American oil companies thrown in to sweeten the pot. And all of this is the fault of whom? Oh right, those darned peace-loving liberals. Conservatives keep arguing the price of defeat. I hate to burst the bubble boys, but we're there. The real argument should shift to how much worse President Ahab is going to make things if we allow he and his cronies to stay!

[johnshaft4]

Hey Hanson, in case you haven't noticed the death toll TODAY alone from your Israeli/PNAC/AEI led invasion/occupation of Iraq is 25. I'll bet you anything you care to lose, that of the 3,000+ American killed (and who knows how many maimed/injured) why is it that NONE of them are Neoncon(artist) progeny with last names of Hanson, Ledeen, Kristol, Kagan, Perle, Wurmser, Libby, Feith, Wolfowitz, Pipes, Abrams, etc. Hanson, you are quoted all over the net as calling Iraq "a laudable success". You really need to up the dosage of your anti psychotic meds. Big time...

[johnshaft4]

Look up the 'author' of this drivel, "Victor Davis Hanson" in Wikpedia. Hanson is an evil, wicked, depraved sicko (along with his fellow neocons).
What did Hanson's mother do to him?

[bluestardad]

Grab the Rubber Coats and ropes there are still people believing our mushroon cloud, slam dunk intelligence CIA neocons! Now Iraq is no longer an immediate threat to America, There are no Weapons of Mass Destruction, Saddam Hussein is no longer in power, and a New Elected Government is in office. Mission Accomplished Pull the Troops OUT and come home. If accomplishment of the Original Mission is considered failure in Iraq then who is writing the History here? To encapsulate the countries wish to Withdrawal from Iraq into a Losing Sound Bite argument for staying the Course in Iraq is a Rovian NeoCon Tactic that the Rest of America has rejected on November 7, 2006 and is not buying now. So Republicans take your Neocon, Chicken Hawk Stay the course or people will die bologna and pounditupyourasssideways. Americans are dieing three per day and billions of dollars are being spent so you can set in your offices drink coffee and say YOUR PLAN MR. NEOCON for Iraq did not fail. But it did America saw thru your lies and calls you into account.

[bluestardad]

Check this out guys and gals, Chicken Hawk Exposed!
Is there some way to legally request Republican Third District Indiana Congressman Mark Souder excuse himself from the Votes on the Iraq War as he is a Certified Conscientious Objector with the United States Selective Service. If his moral views would not let him serve in Vietnam during war it should also excuse him from voting to send other people%u2019s children to wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[fascistusa]

fredgrad2000-

You can SPOT the CBS employees. Don't make it so apparant.

FASCISM. CORPORATISM. LIES. SLAVERY. TYRANNY.

THE REAL AMERICA.

OUR COUNTRY IS FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fascistusa]

More Propaganda.

WAR PROFITEERS LOSE MONEY.

ISRAEL/ AIPAC STOPS SENDING OUR KIDS TO DIE IN THIER QUEST TO TAKE OVER THE MIDDLE EAST.

LORD BUSH'S FASCIST TYRANNY EMPIRE ENDS.

YUP, WE THE PEOPLE HAVE SO MUCH TO LOSE.

[bmadeline-2009]

Iraq is already lost. George is just looking for someone to hang his mess on. Don't forget...this is Bush's war.
The only way for Iraq to get better is for Bush to go back to Crawford and let someone ...anyone.. else take over.

[kreuz4]

Comments con't:
To occupy Iraq and stop the civil war will likely require 300-400,000 troops, a number that the American people now and before the war are simply unwilling to allow. If the administration had been honest with the peopl in advance and willing to dedicate the resources then to getting this done, they would have been rejected. Knowing that, they tried to do it on the cheap hoping that all the rosiest scenarios would pan out, and they failed miserably. The fact that Iran wields strong influence in Iraq, that destabilization is a huge risk for the US, the people of the Middle East, and a potential huge victory for our enemies in GWOT is not the fault of the Democratic opposition, nor would it be the fault of the military. It is the result of the failures of the leadership that should have been evident long before this war began.

We need to decide now what to do- triple the number of forces, greatly expand our military, raise taxes to afford such a force, and do the job right, or concede our mistakes, declare Iraq a failed state, call on the UN to send peacekeepers in to forestall further violence, and bring about a significant meeting of regional and international leaders to work through a lasting solution to the problem the likes of which hasn't been seen since the end of WWII. Bush is incapable of either, meaning unfortunately Iraq will be left to fester until some grownups are able to take charge.

[kreuz4]

1) While I'm still ticked at Democratic cowardice over the war vote, any rational person knows that the vote was scheduled before the 2002 elections to force Congress' hand, knowing moderates couldn't vote against it and keep their jobs. This is a marked contrast to Bush 1, who waited until after the elections for a resolution on using force so as not to play politics with it. As for the intelligence, most of what the French and Russians were saying was base on what we told them, thus it is circular logic to say that it confirmed what we said, never mind the fact that our own intelligence always had underlying questions about the intelligence, meaning the phrase the intelligence "leaves no doubt" about Hussein%u2019s program was blatantly inaccurate, if not an outright lie.

2) Plans for withdrawal are designed to minimize the impact of sectarian strife by transferring authority to other organizations, phasing the withdrawal with safety measures (rapid reaction force, etc) to avoid such a massive crisis. Your argument also neglects the biggest point of all- we opposed going after Saddam in 2003 because HE WASN'T ACTIVELY COMMITTING GENOCIDE. Most of those acts occurred under the watch of the Republican superhero Ronald Reagan, who was actively providing Hussein intelligence and military support all the while. All wanted him held accountable, but given the needs of fighting GWOT and the political nature of the war, deposing Hussein then was a stupid idea, as time has proved.

[actornaught]

How do we fix tribal hatred and murder that's been going on for almost a millenium? These people 'know' that god destined before the beginning of time they could kill whoever.

Get out of the way, get out of the meat grinder, and let them get on with the inevitable.

[johnshaft4]

fredgrad-

After wading through your drivel, what IS YOUR POINT?!

Will an 'in depth' counseling session with Republican/Neocon/Christian Pastor Ted help get your 'head' right? (I'll pay for Zionist's Ted's "fees"; but you are own your own when it comes to the meth'head'.

[exusmcsgt]

fredgrad2000 -

Righ now we're at 3,100 American dead, 25,000 maimed and $500 billion dollars.

What's a fair price for you? 5,000 dead? 50,000 maimed? A trillion dollars?

[exusmcsgt]

fredgrad2000 -

I'm still waiting for your answer to my question regarding waht's an approrpiate price for Iraq?

[fredgrad2000]

Did I get redirected to www.moveon.org when I tried to reach CBS News? Beacuse every post here comes straight from the Michael Moore talking points...get it straight; 1)The war was authorized by your own Democrats in Congress, passed based on intelligence supported and collected by your hero Bill Clinton (including a CIA director HE appointed), intelligence supported even by the French and Russians (who unfortunately were bought and paid for by Saddam so chose to ignore it), and based on the historical ACTIONS of the "man" we deposed!, but irregardless of how we got there, the more important point, 2) is that if we leave now we'd be inviting a genocide of the exact type you lefties are all screaming at Bush to stop in the Sudan!! I don't get it; why were you all against stoping a genocidal maniac in Iraq who has killed hundreds of thousands, but are all for stopping a genocide in Sudan (where actually fewer have died) - I can only find one reason; because in both cases you can bash the Republican president - once for action; once for INaction; any reason to bash Bush!! Leaving Iraq now, gives the country to Iran; leaves a western desert area where Al-Qaeda can train and recruit (with the gleeful acquiesence of the Iranian puppet gov't in Baghdad and their mullah-masters in Tehran) and our only real allies in Iraq now, the Kurds, get screwed again!!

The rhetoric present in this discussion forum is just that, rhetoric, not logical thought.

[johnshaft4]

Yup, I'd be spending all of my time at the "Wailing Wall' if I were to be turned into a circumcised eunach like you 'victims'.
Screw Israel...Not a drop of oil. Some 'chosen people/land'. We are hanging out now with Persians/Arabs. Got oil?

[johnshaft4]

Yo, Jews...any of this resonanating with ya' all?

[feelfree1]

Re: "The Consequences Of Failure In Iraq"

Finally, one of these dead-brained National Review Online columnists writes a story on which they are qualified to comment.

"FAILURE" is one subject that these PNAC-loving extremists can claim some expertise.