Comments on: Get The Troops Out Of Iraq, And Fast

The Nation: U.S. Presence In Iraq Only Begets Us More Enemies

[tejasdemo]

This article is exactly right !!!!

Get out now and fast. Bush and his ridiculously stupid and I mean stupid ideas have been proven as some of the dumbest ideas ever to hit the planet !

[random_radar]

notblue,

More Americans have died in the Iraq war than died in the 9/11 attack. People make hypothetical claims that fighting in Iraq somehow prevented terrorist attacks in America. But if anything, the Iraq war should motivate terrorist attacks and that has not happened due to domestic security (which has been 100% effective independent of, or perhaps inspite of, the foreign war).

If we really want to honestly wake up and smell the coffee, we would admit that our own government is directly causing more deaths than the terrorists. I oppose the war in Iraq because I am tired of seeing loyal, patriotic soldiers give their lives in a useless war.

What good is a war on terror that causes more deaths than the terrorists? The cure is worse than the disease. Domestic security is working fine. The Iraq war has no effect on our safety. End the war and worry about securing our borders.

[feelfree1]

cathaleen,

Re: "What we have in this country is a bunch of congressman and senators that tend to go with the flow or whoever is paying them or flying them around."

Agreed. This has to stop.

[notblue]

FeelFree1, the fascists in this country preside on the left. America was attacked for years by the Islamic extremests long before going into Iraq. If we were to adopt your philosophy of retreat and hope for the best, what makes you think they would now leave us alone and stop there Jihad against the west? I think we all know the answer to that question. It would be naive and selfdestructive to think retreat from this world conflict would enhance Americas security. It's time to smell the coffee and see this conflict for what is.

[random_radar]

If Iraq invaded and occupied the United States, I would gladly fight to repel the invasion. I would consider it a duty and honor to kill the foreign soldiers, and I would bet that my fellow Americans would consider me a hero for it, too.

Would you like to disagree with me? Who would say that if America were invaded and occupied by a foreign power (or Nato or the United Nations), we should stand for it? What argument would someone like to pose to say that we should submit to military occupation and dictatorship?

But if we would not tolerate be subjected to the kind of treatment our government is handing out to Iraqis, why do we think Iraqis should not only accept it, but be grateful for it? Why are we so surprised that no one likes being killed if they don't do what we want?

[cathaleen]

The reason we need a timeline is so that the politicians cannot back out on their word to withdraw. What we have in this country is a bunch of congressman and senators that tend to go with the flow or whoever is paying them or flying them around.
Also, this will give the Iraqi's a chance to get their act together. If they know we'll be leaving, maybe they will finally take responsiblity for themselves and start acting like one country instead of three different ones.

[bushrocks1]

Would I send my son to this war? You might ask would I send him to World War II? Or Vietnam? Maybe you would distinguish those conflicts and whether you would send your son to fight in them. But that question is misdirected in a very important way: I can't command my son to go to war. He has to make that choice. So the better question would be: would I volunteer to fight in Iraq, WW II, Vietnam? Would I volunteer to fight in any war? Respond if drafted? I don%u2019t know. I'm not equivocating, only addressing that it is a hypothetical. To a hypothetical, I can answer, sure I'd fight. But I have nightmares of battle (from my past life as a Jacobite). So how do I feel toward those who do volunteer? Impressed and maturely knowing that many things go into their decision. But I do strongly believe that a country that can't find those men is doomed. The fact that we can find them is one reason why I say there is no failure in Iraq. Objectively, I also believe it for other reasons. An attempt to establish democracy in the Middle East is a bold, brilliant, noble effort, facing a high chance of failure. That's why I greatly respect and admire those who have made the attempt--the Bush administration. They have been resolute, something I have not seen in my lifetime. They may not succeed, for reasons outside their control or fault: traitors on the home front being a big one. Now those traitors have apparently occupied the high ground. Yet... we're still in Iraq. Why?...I'm waiting.

[feelfree1]

dogsoul,

The people of Iraq have every right to defend themselves against the brutal and illegal invasion of their country.

Fomenting blind hatred and fear will not mittigate the failure and disgrace which has been foisted upon us by U.S. fascistic extremists.

The whole planet will rejoice when the U.S. criminals responsible for this catastrophe are finally brought to justice.

[marcodele]

"Liberals have joined forces with Al Queda & other Islamic Radicals in an ongoing effort to demoralize the American people against this mission in Iraq."

The mission in Iraq was to find weapons of mass destruction and remove Saddam Hussein from power.
There were no WMD's and Saddam is out. Mission accomplished.

There's big difference between being a global citizen and a global bully. The "shock and awe" mentality is over: it ended on Nov. 7th, 2006.

[rafterman1]

Appeasement? The people of the ME want us out of their countries and their affairs and if we do that - if we leave THEIR countries - we are appeasing them? It's conservative policies like this that put America in danger.

You know, you can fantasize all you want about how the US can act with imunity anywhere we want and the peoples in those countries are just going to bend over and say "thank you sir, may I have another". But the REALITY is, the longer we stay, the more of them will get pi$$ed at us and the more longer pi$$ed off they will stay. This isn't the old days, where colonial powers could come in and set up shop and no one resisted. These days, these countries fight - with everything they got, including terrorism. We can't continue to act like it's the colonialism of the 19th century.

If there was a major strategic objective that was vital to the interests of the US, that would be one thing. Sometimes sacrifice if necessary, even if it doesn't look like you may win. But staying in Iraq? For what? All we are doing in worstening the strategic situation by staying, not making it better. But because the hawks can't swallow their pride and admit a mistake, their hubris is going to lead us down a long, dark path for years to come.

[marcodele]

Dogsoul: What disgusts me is people like Bush and you who have no problem with other people dying in a horrific civil war in another country, yet you would never serve yourself. If you think anyone who disagrees with Bush is a liberal terrorist supporter, then there are quite a few republicans that fit that profile too. Its called Democracy: there is room for opposing views. You are at the polarized right of logic where anything or anyone who disagrees with Bush or Rush Limbaugh or Anne Coulter is a terrorist sympathizer. Get real.

[aeasus]

SO,does this mean we are going to finish in Afghanistan now? Provide the troops that are needed to leave the way they should leave? OR Have we learned nothing?

[bushrocks1]

Would I send my son to this war? You might ask would I send him to World War II? Or Vietnam? Maybe you would distinguish those conflicts and whether you would send your son to fight in them. But that question is misdirected in a very important way: I can't command my son to go to war. He has to make that choice. So the better question would be: would I volunteer to fight in Iraq, WW II, Vietnam? Would I volunteer to fight in any war? Respond if drafted? I don%u2019t know. I'm not equivocating, only addressing that it is a hypothetical. To a hypothetical, I can answer, sure I'd fight. But I have nightmares of battle (from my past life as a Jacobite). So how do I feel toward those who do volunteer? Impressed and maturely knowing that many things go into their decision. But I do strongly believe that a country that can't find those men is doomed. The fact that we can find them is one reason why I say there is no failure in Iraq. Objectively, I also believe it for other reasons. An attempt to establish democracy in the Middle East is a bold, brilliant, noble effort, facing a high chance of failure. That's why I greatly respect and admire those who have made the attempt--the Bush administration. They have been resolute, something I have not seen in my lifetime. They may not succeed, for reasons outside their control or fault: traitors on the home front being a big one. Now those traitors have apparently occupied the high ground. Yet... we're still in Iraq. Why?...I'm waiting.

[dogsoul]

This Liberal policy of appeasement toward the enemies of the United States is shameful - not to mention it doesn't work. Were we in Iraq or Afghanistan when 9/11 occurred? Did Al Queda or anyone else need the excuse of Iraq back then to become our enemies? Liberals have joined forces with Al Queda & other Islamic Radicals in an ongoing effort to demoralize the American people against this mission in Iraq. Liberals want to defeat Bush, so does Islamic Radicalism - and they're both waging a war on America in order to defeat their common enemy. I don't know if it's more accurate to call you cowards, traitors or French... you digust me.

[feelfree1]

Let's not forget that the fascists that have taken control of the Republican Party could not have been nearly as successful with their "War on Freedom", without the complicity of their Democrat Party sympathizers.

Now, the "leadership" of both "major" parties is attempting to blame the failure of criminally inept U.S. policy in Iraq, on the Iraqis, and on their puppet-government. Disgusting.

We need to withdrawal our troops form Iraq, IMMEDIATELY, apologize for our disgraceful behavior there, and develop a reparations fund.

I would like to suggest that we liquidate the assets of war-profiteering corporations like Bechtel, Halliburton, Exxon-Mobile, Blackwater, Lockheed Martin, Chevron-Texaco, General Electric, etc, etc, and use the proceeds to create a reparations fund for the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, and for our abused U.S. soldiers.

These funds could also be used to publicly fund fresh U.S. elections, and to pay for war-crimes proceedings against the Bush Regime and their collaborators/enablers.

[observantx]

Here's the lead to the column of the executive editor of Roll Call, the Capital Hill newspaper, Morton Kondracke.
%u201CAll over the world, scoundrels are ascendant, rising on a tide of American weakness. It makes for a perilous future.
President Bush bet his presidency %u2014 and America%u2019s world leadership %u2014 on the war in Iraq. Tragically, it looks as though he bit off more than the American people were willing to chew.
The U.S. is failing in Iraq. Bush%u2019s policy was repudiated by the American people in the last election. And now America%u2019s enemies and rivals are pressing their advantage, including Iran, Syria, the Taliban, Sudan, Russia and Venezuela. We have yet to hear from al-Qaida.%u201D

This is total b*llsh*t. This idiot blames the massive bloody failure in Iraq on you and me instead of Fearless Leader. Boy George is the one who lied, cooked intel, failed to secure the country after his Mission Accomplished photo op, and blundered away the lives of our sons and daughters.
The American people did not bite off anything; that was done by Fearless Leader. I hope the taste of failure is making him gag. Mort and the rest of boy George%u2019s apologists should just admit that he screwed it up and that it is ALL HIS FAULT! They cannot shift the blame to the people who have been questioning the reasons for and the wisdom of being there in the first place. This is a d@mmed lie and should not be tolerated. Shame on you Mr. Kondrake for this slander.

[bushrocks1]

Would I send my son to this war? You might ask would I send him to World War II? Or Vietnam? Maybe you would distinguish those conflicts and whether you would send your son to fight in them. But that question is misdirected in a very important way: I can't command my son to go to war. He has to make that choice. So the better question would be: would I volunteer to fight in Iraq, WW II, Vietnam? Would I volunteer to fight in any war? Respond if drafted? I don%u2019t know. I'm not equivocating, only addressing that it is a hypothetical. To a hypothetical, I can answer, sure I'd fight. But I have nightmares of battle (from my past life as a Jacobite). So how do I feel toward those who do volunteer? Impressed and maturely knowing that many things go into their decision. But I do strongly believe that a country that can't find those men is doomed. The fact that we can find them is one reason why I say there is no failure in Iraq. Objectively, I also believe it for other reasons. An attempt to establish democracy in the Middle East is a bold, brilliant, noble effort, facing a high chance of failure. That's why I greatly respect and admire those who have made the attempt--the Bush administration. They have been resolute, something I have not seen in my lifetime. They may not succeed, for reasons outside their control or fault: traitors on the home front being a big one. Now those traitors have apparently occupied the high ground. Yet... we're still in Iraq. Why?...I'm waiting.

[bluestardad]

Thank you The Nation, It is about time some media started telling it like it is.

[macusweil]

No matter how you slice it the war reflects grave incompetence and failure of leadership by the Bush administration.

Any president who takes the country to war without 100% confidence in the correctness of their justification should be held accountable to the highest degree possible.

Further the President must employee the only the best and brightest resources to insure the best possible outcome. Anything less should be punishable by impeachment and/or prision. There is absolutely no room for loyalty appointments for cronies and profiteering as has taken place with this Iraq disaster.