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[sandycat2]

No, suspension of freedoms came when Islamic terrorists attacked the US on 9/11. The US had an open door policy before that day. Will Muslims blame the need to suspend some freedoms on Americans as well as saying the Jews did 9/11 or some muslims who say Americans did 9/11 to ourselves? If there is any hatemongering going on, it's coming from the Islamic community. Muslims are in serious denial about the hatred and murderous violence coming from Islam. Too bad you don't like other Americans' attitudes toward muslims because I think you are going to have to live with it.

[andy_f90]

You remember the Crusades, don't you? You don't? Perhaps this, from "Taking Jerusalem: Climax of the First Crusade" By J. Arthur McFall will refresh your memory. "The Crusaders spent at least "That night and the next day killing Muslims, including all of those in the al-Aqsa Mosque, where Tancred's banner should have protected them. Not even women and children were spared. The city's Jews sought refuge in their synagogue, only to be burned alive within it by the Crusaders. .... The Europeans also destroyed the monuments to Orthodox Christian saints and the tomb of Abraham."

No creeper its easier to blame Muslims for being violent and overlook the neocons own track record of proclaiming them "freedom fighters" (mujahadeen, remember that term) when they were fighting Soviet Communism, but "terrorists" when they are resisting US forces in Iraq.

There won't be "cut and run," there will be blame and run. Blame the Iraqis for "not getting their act together," while the self-proclaimed Christian warrior Pres. Bush led his modern crusade and invasion to attack Iraq for Israel's security. Can you spell D-E-F-E-A-T-E-D and D-O-W-N-F-A-L-L of Republicans?

[andy_f90]

As a Muslim, some of these posts here are simply disgusting and anti-Semitic (Muslims are Semitic people).

But alas, some people like to wallow in their supremacy and denigration of others.

The ridiculous claim the Koran supporting violence (to the exclusion of the Bible) and against "infidels" is laughable (its like saying US Constitution is a violent document for protecting freedom of arms) and the very manifestation of the right-wing propagandist hate-radio campaign to malign "Islam" and its holy book.

As the poster below: RepubliCONS are America's worst enemies...it won't be some "Islamist" that threatens Constitutional freedom, but right-wing hatemongers who collectively threaten us and our freedoms: as was seen with the suspension of habeaus corpus!

[sandycat2]

We don't need to swear on the bible if it bothers someone. Youcan swear in on no book or you could use a book of the constitutio0n of the US. Anything, but the Koran.

[creeper00]

So how likely is a man to honor an oath he was forced to swear on a book in which he does not believe?

Geez, people, get a grip! Would the oath of a Christan taken with his hand on the Koran be binding? The principle is the same.

The bible has NO place in government. We need to get god off of our money and out of our Pledge of Allegiance. We need to get the bible out of the Capitol.

A brief reminder to you religious zealots who would base everything on the bible (which, BTW, was written not by god but by men and spare me the "divine inspriation" lecture)--the book you so revere is the very one carried by the Crusaders in their two hundred year pursuit of worldwide Christian hegemony.

You remember the Crusades, don't you? You don't? Perhaps this, from "Taking Jerusalem: Climax of the First Crusade" By J. Arthur McFall will refresh your memory. "The Crusaders spent at least that night and the next day killing Muslims, including all of those in the al-Aqsa Mosque, where Tancred's banner should have protected them. Not even women and children were spared. The city's Jews sought refuge in their synagogue, only to be burned alive within it by the Crusaders. .... The Europeans also destroyed the monuments to Orthodox Christian saints and the tomb of Abraham."

Now put down your stones.

[gaye5]

FARTKNOCKER2
I agree with you, it is not hate that we say, it is hate we are trying to avoid..
The Quran orders Muslims to not be our friends, and to destroy all who will not submit in the world, so there is no way that America should let him swear on the Quran..
While we push for their rights we are in effect pushing for our demise... read the LAST three quarters of the Quran and others of their holy books for yourselves instead of saying that people who are trying to warn us are racist etc...we must find out for ourselves..they tell us we dont understand the quran
Ishaq:327 %u201CAllah said, %u2018A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. etc. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.%u2019%u201D
%u2026"for the Unbelievers are open enemies to you." 4:101
Qur%u2019an 9:29 %u201CFight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.%u201D
Qur%u2019an 8:39 %u201CFight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.%u201D
Qur%u2019an 8:39 %u201CSo fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).%u201D
Ishaq:324 %u201CHe said, %u2018Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.%u2019%u201D
Buy it does not take a rocket scientist to understand these words and many more..

[gaye5]

FARTKNOCKER2
I agree with you, it is not hate that we say, it is hate we are trying to avoid..
The Quran orders Muslims to not be our friends, and to destroy all who will not submit in the world, so there is no way that America should let him swear on the Quran..
While we push for their rights we are in effect pushing for our demise... read the LAST three quarters of the Quran and others of their holy books for yourselves instead of saying that people who are trying to warn us are racist etc...we must find out for ourselves..they tell us we dont understand the quran
Ishaq:327 %u201CAllah said, %u2018A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. etc. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.%u2019%u201D
%u2026"for the Unbelievers are open enemies to you." 4:101
Qur%u2019an 9:29 %u201CFight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.%u201D
Qur%u2019an 8:39 %u201CFight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.%u201D
Qur%u2019an 8:39 %u201CSo fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).%u201D
Ishaq:324 %u201CHe said, %u2018Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.%u2019%u201D
Buy it does not take a rocket scientist to understand these words and many more..

[sandycat2]

Bevlar, I totally agree with you and I was called rascist by people on this very thread. Many people in America are so caught up in rights that can't even see that the US has dangerous enemies who want to destroy our freedoms and take our lives. You would think 9/11 would have been a wake up call for Americans, but sadly many just didn't get the message.

[bevlar-2009]

As a person who has had extensive experience with Muslims...Saudis and Iranians...('70's period)--and having read the Koran over 40 years ago, I can state that Islam is the most dangerous "society"--AKA--"religion" on the Planet! However,everytime someone like myself makes this kind of statement, we are "branded with 'bigot'--'racist' and other childish, naive adjectives, that the DENIAL people put on people like myself. Islam, is a ONE WAY STREET--as in become a Muslim--pay tribute--or die! Think I'm making this up? Ask your friendly Muslim! To avoid a lengthy discussion here, I'll simply say that for YEARS--I have been an advocate in writing/contacting everyone I can think of to PROHIBIT ANY MUSLIM FROM HOLDING ANY GOVERNMENT POSITION IN AMERICA! ISLAM IS SIMPLY NOT 'AMERICAN' AND IS AGAINST EVERYTHING AMERICA STANDS FOR: A FEW E.G.'S EQUALITY...FREEDOM...WOMEN'S RIGHTS...AND ON AND ON. Keith Ellison being the first Muslim to be elected to Congress, is a very dangerous precedent! As far as Ellison himself goes, he should NOT even entertain the thought of REVERTING to Chrisitanity! In ISLAM, it's an AUTOMATIC DEATH SENTENCE! Is anyone out there "thinking" about anthing except "PC" towards Islam? Ask your friendly "recent defector from the Middle East"--about how "PC" Islam is in the Middle East towards Christians, Jews, and women!

[macusweil]

Does anyone at the NR ever have an opinion that is not hateful, divisive and/or destructive? I am much inclined to think this is not the case.

[macusweil]

Any true believer would realize that the oath is to God and since there is only one God the book itself immaterial.

[drather1]

As if what you had to say was news.... The article contained very little news, and a whole boatload of one man's editorial opinion, and it was in a news area, not in an editorial area.

[sandycat2]

Be an American and stand up for freedom of expression and freedom of religion, and just plain freedom to stay alive. Our constitution says we the people have a right to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS. And the founding founders fought for those things so the rest of us Americans can enjoy those things, but they also said to defend our freedoms against ALL attacks against those freedoms and to me that means Islamic facists who have said repeatedly they want to destroy the US. So be an American ans stand up for our freedoms instead of just mouthing meaningless words about toereance that isn't there on the side of freedom's eneemies. Thank you very much.

[jetauma]

The founding fathers did recognize the higher power: God. But they were not Christians in the tight definitions we use today. Many were Masons, knowledgeable and respectful of all wisdom sources. Which book one uses is not relevant. Holding to one's personal oath is.
Lovefights is right: Christians are instructed in the Bible not to Swear by anything. But answer Yea or Nay.

[toadspad]

Only a racist would be against this man from is right as an AMERICAN to have the oath on his religions book.
Personally it is improper to use any book from a religion as a symbole of swearing in.
Just raise your right hand and sware to "Up hold the office elected to". Period nothing else. Keep religion out of politics

[pendragon679]

"Why is it Americans are expected to be tolerant of those that are not tolerant of us."

Why? Because our founding fathers came to this country and fought wars to protect that right. Tolerance of others is a very large part of what it means to BE an American, thank you very much.

[lovefights]

The Bible in Congress is a Disciple's Book. Those who follow Jesus Christ are Christians, all the other's are known as Nominal Christians (in name only).

If the Bible means anything to you, you would obey the words of Jesus. The Bible is all about Jesus. Jesus say's not to swear on anything. So the Bible you have in Congress is in disobediance to the LORD JESUS CHRIST.

So what is all this nonsense about giving an oath on the Bible or the Koran???

Matt 5:33-37
33 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.'
34 "But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne;
35 "nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
36 "Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black.
37 "But let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No.' For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
(NKJ)

AMEN!!!

[kemetorigin]

I have never met an intolerant Muslim. I have met several intolerant Xians IN CHURCH. Dearborn, MI has the largest population of Muslims in the country. Yet, it is one of the most peaceful burbs in Detroit metro. It is not appropriate to compare a faith to a nation. The founding fathers may have used the bible and indoctrinated it as part of the overall culture, however, they fled to the states to escape religious persecution. The point is, the Koran is HIS holy book. Would you want to be sworn in on the Koran if you were not Muslim or the Torah if you are not Jewish? Two wrongs do not a right make. Again, I have NEVER been disrespected by a Muslim. I have been disrespected by AMERICANS at least once a week. Nonetheless, I do not hold the whole people responsible for the acts of a few or use that disrespect as an excuse to disrespect others. There have been things in the Amendments to the Constitution that have been intolerable. Remember 3/5 of a man for blacks? Remember Plessy vs. Ferguson? I could go on, but does that mean that people of African descent have the right to disrespect the US?

[sandycat2]

I am not talking about the bible. I am speaking as an American when I talk about the Koran and Islam. As an American I am expected to extend all religions tolerance which I have done all my life, but I have not seen anything in Islam or the Koran or in anything the Phophet Muhamed said which was tolerant of other people who are not muslims. Islam goes against the American constitution. Action speaks louder than words. Islam can't just say they are a tolerant and peaceful religion. They have to show it and I haven't seen that yet. I'm waiting.

[kemetorigin]

Sandycat2
The bible is intolerant of other faiths as well. It says only "true believers will enter the kingdom of heaven". It is intolerant of those who do not believe in the "holy trinity". Perhaps visiting religoustolerance.org would enlighten you. The Islamic deity Allah derives from the deities of Abraham as do both Jehovah and Yaweh(G_d of the Jewish faith), thus, they are all one in the same. The tenets of faith may differ, but ultimately they all maintain a common theme--RESPECT. The images of Islam have been tarnished to reflect those of extremists. Xian media has not used Timothy McVay or Eric Rudolph as examples of Xianity. Nor have they used Ted Haggard. You would not want the world to see these people as Xian symbols, so why would you see Muslim extremists as examples of true Islam? It is hypocrisy.