I CAME HERE TO TALK ABOUT MOVIE HOBBIT - My God i was so surprised to see the comments of some people here. who has no respect for animals , or i believe possible any living being .. i always know one thing , that, if you have a heart for animals you will always have a heart for humans or for anything . i see , not only for animals some people here don't even, have a respect for human being. Being a vege / vegan got nothing to do with this issue .
this about rights of another living being who wants/like to live just like us. i am surprised that this movie was allow to even shoot . suppose if we going to make a movie about war or children abuse involve where people /children dies . would you allow people/children to get injured/ die same way the horses died ?
why animals is it because they can't speak or fight for their rights ? i don't know why , in the begin for what reason you make movies like this , when you know that their is injury/ death going to occur ?
i don't get it ? i thought we are living in a civilized world and humans are the most advance being. we have a choice to choose, to do the right thing , and its NOT hurt/abuse/harming anyone or any living being . period.
but i see we are still living in a cave era. sorry i wouldn't and i am sure many would not go and see this movie . VIOLENCE AND DEATH IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE REGARDLESS WHAT THE STORY IS ..there is many people in the world got heart and will always choose compassion over cruelty. WORSE IS WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL/GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD AND YET WE LIVE IN A CAVE ERA ..IT SO PATHETIC THAT STILL HORSE SLAUGHTER IS LEGAL IN AMERICA and PEOPLE STILL EAT HORSES.... WHAT A SHAME !
the problem these days is no one has compassion, we have kids burning dogs alive, crush videos being hotter then music videos. and movie producers shrugging off animals dying on their set. along with. oh yes lets not forget soldiers throwing innocent puppies off of cliffs!!! and cops murdering family pets, and lets not forget the latest fad rounding up pit bulls to be murdered just because of what they look like. this world had become pure evil, no morals, no ethics, no compassion, there is nothing left but a bunch of soulless monsters. welcome to the age of enlightenment called the 21st century!!! NOT!!!!!!
I CAME HERE TO TALK ABOUT MOVIE HOBBIT - My God i was so surprised to see the comments of some people here. who has no respect for animals , or i believe possible any living being .. i always know one thing , that, if you have a heart for animals you will always have a heart for humans or for anything . i see , not only for animals some people here don't even, have a respect for human being. Being a vege / vegan got nothing to do with this issue .
this about rights of another living being who wants/like to live just like us. i am surprised that this movie was allow to even shoot . suppose if we going to make a movie about war or children abuse involve where people /children dies . would you allow people/children to get injured/ die same way the horses died ?
why animals is it because they can't speak or fight for their rights ? i don't know why , in the begin for what reason you make movies like this , when you know that their is injury/ death going to occur ?
i don't get it ? i thought we are living in a civilized world and humans are the most advance being. we have a choice to choose, to do the right thing , and its NOT hurt/abuse/harming anyone or any living being . period.
but i see we are still living in a cave era. sorry i wouldn't and i am sure many would not go and see this movie . VIOLENCE AND DEATH IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE REGARDLESS WHAT THE STORY IS ..there is many people in the world got heart and will always choose compassion over cruelty. WORSE IS WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL/GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD AND YET WE LIVE IN A CAVE ERA ..IT SO PATHETIC THAT STILL HORSE SLAUGHTER IS LEGAL IN AMERICA and PEOPLE STILL EAT HORSES.... WHAT A SHAME !
The person who is most at fault in the animal abuse cases is not Peter Jackson. It is the Animal Coordinator Steve Old. He was responsible for leasing that farm which was a hilly sheep farm unsuitable for horses. Several other suitable properties were put forward by the horse trainer that would have cost the same amount. He was also responsible for hiring staff that were not qualified to look after horses and vetoed every attempt of the horse trainer to hire suitable staff. He also prevented the horse trainer from making sensible training decisions. He insisted on letting his girlfriend train horses even though she was not qualified to even be riding them and caused many problems with their training when she did ride them. He also insisted on other unqualified people being allowed to ride horses. Steve Old also did not put any safe and appropriate training facilities in place. This was because he wanted to ensure he got the job by coming in under the budget outlined by another more qualified Animal Coordinator. He prevented the horse trainer from putting any facilities in place other than those that the horse trainer paid for out of his own pocket. Steve Old turned a blind eye to wilful abuse of animals - one case in which his own father was the abuser of a pig. This same person - Les Old - also sexually harassed a female staff member. When she told Steve that Les had groped her Steve fired her. Steve used production money and resources on his own private projects such as The Great NZ Trek. He pulled staff members away from caring for the animals on the film and sent them to do work on projects elsewhere during which time they were paid with film money. He bullied staff members into keeping quiet about any negative aspects of their work and told them they would be fired if they didn't fall into line. The head horse trainer, another horse trainer and other wranglers resigned from the film after two months because their complaints about animal welfare were ignored and were not passed on to people higher up in the chain of command. Emails were sent after they resigned (in Feb2011) detailing everything that was dangerous and needed to be rectified. I understand that these emails have only recently been passed on to Peter Jackson.
All animals, whether being raised for the dinner table, or not, have the right to expect to be treated humanely, they are God's critters. I raise cattle, often deal with all kinds of other critters. Unlike a lot of people, apparently, I believe that by giving them respect and providing for their needs and safety is part of the job. There are plentiful studies that show, happy cows are less stressed, easier to handle, produce better, etc. Like the Buddhist, we should give thanks to them for what they do for us. Instead, as one piece of inbred, human trash told me, "I only need one pet." When, in fact he needs none. He will chase down, on his ATV, a young animal, that has gotten out of a field, beat the hell out of it with a ball bat, run over it, or shoot it. Then say, "Let's see 'em get out of that hole, I got out back, NOW!" As though, all his animals, call a meeting to decide how to keep from getting killed. It would be a whole lot simpler to just properly repair the fences. But stupid is that stupid does.
Ummm... I wonder how many ppl who are "aghast" and "shocked" by this are vegan/vegetarians? Animals who are farmed for their flesh have a far worse life than the ones here. Of course, more care should have been taken, but on a set as large as this, it's hard to avoid casualties (humans, horses, chickens etc). Nonetheless, there are larger battles in the cruelty to animal campaign to be fought, in my honest opinion.
It is true that are larger battles however that's not an excuse for you or anyone to say this is somehow a lost cause or waste of time. You just have to think. EVERYTHING'S CONNECTED. And if you start to ignore this reality that might seem a small cause to you, then you'll have open doors to what you consider larger battles. You have to fight everything that's wrong! No matter how small or big it is. And this golden rule not only is applied regarding animals but also, humans too. Keep that in mind for later comments. Have a nice day.
YES, if everyone had the guts to do it this wouldn't ever happen again because money or the lack of it is the only thing that makes people change their minds, unfortunately. Boycott is the right way to show our position referring this cruelty. I read many ridiculous comments but "PODBOQ" is definately the worse I've seen. And it's even worse seeing his/her cold blood while talking about starvation as if it's just like watching the rain outside. You are disgusting and a product of our cubed society.
So all of the animals were killed because they were able to run around in the open instead of being couped up in a cage the whole time. Isn't PETA always whining about animals being able to run free? Then they end up dying because of natural elements and now they whine about that. Then animals die because the feed they got made them sick. Well, I'm sure that the wranglers didn't feed them poison on purpose. Also, not every horse got sick on the new feed. Only one horse got sick. PETA is just whining as usual over nothing.
no, the issue was the land these horses were given to roam free on. did you not read the part about death traps? it wasn't safe land. PETA isn't whining, the wranglers were the ones complaining. No one said the wranglers poisoned them, because the wranglers themselves were the ones who "whined" about it. did you even read the story? peta isn't even mentioned
The horse that got sick from "new feed" may have died of an undetected case of colic; it's not ALWAYS fatal, but must be detected and treated immediately to increase chances of survival. Horses often contract colic from a change in diet, and some are more susceptible to it than others; the animal's age, ability to digest and stress levels can all be risk factors as well. A gradual change in feed can REDUCE the risk, but still wouldn't eliminate it altogether, and perhaps there wasn't enough time to introduce the change gradually. But even animals with the very best care have been known to develop severe and fatal colic; unless the animal is stabled and watched closely by people who know the signs (obvious discomfort, circling, swollen belly, kicking the belly, no evacuation for prolonged period of time, lying down), it can develop unnoticed until it is too late. These animals were pastured at first, not stabled, and probably NOT under constant scrutiny. These things happen.
It seems LUSBYPAYDIRT and SIGNSEEKER1717 are ignorant. PETA is mentioned... "The animal rights group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals says it's planning protests at the premieres in New Zealand, the U.S. and the U.K."
If these conditions were so horrendous and went on for so long why were they not reported to the American Humane Association who were responsible for the oversight of their welfare or the New Zealand Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to animals (RSPCA)? New Zealand has a largely agricultural based economy so being cruel to those animals would be plain stupid. Since New Zealand's have far more contact with animals than most other countries because they depend on them and have done for generations New Zealand has some of the most stringent animal protection welfare legislation in the world. It is and has been in the forefront of animal welfare legislation for generations. Even when it is not in its economic interests to do so e.g. New Zealand unlike Australia bans the export of live animals to the Middle East because of the distress caused to the animals by the long voyage and uncertainty of their treatment when they arrive. It spends far more per head of population on the protection conservation of its wildlife than any other country in the world and has successfully rescued many species from the danger of extinction. If any of you doubt New Zealand's contribution to the protection of animal's worldwide go and have a look at its record in leading the fight in the IWC against whaling. Sounds like a lot of griping and not much substance to me. These concerns should have been reported even anonymously and they would have been investigated and if genuine sorted out that is for sure. New Zealand society doesn't stand for the mistreatment of the animals in its care no matter who is supposed to be involved.
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this about rights of another living being who wants/like to live just like us. i am surprised that this movie was allow to even shoot . suppose if we going to make a movie about war or children abuse involve where people /children dies . would you allow people/children to get injured/ die same way the horses died ?
why animals is it because they can't speak or fight for their rights ? i don't know why , in the begin for what reason you make movies like this , when you know that their is injury/ death going to occur ?
i don't get it ? i thought we are living in a civilized world and humans are the most advance being. we have a choice to choose, to do the right thing , and its NOT hurt/abuse/harming anyone or any living being . period.
but i see we are still living in a cave era. sorry i wouldn't and i am sure many would not go and see this movie . VIOLENCE AND DEATH IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE REGARDLESS WHAT THE STORY IS ..there is many people in the world got heart and will always choose compassion over cruelty.
WORSE IS WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL/GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD AND YET WE LIVE IN A CAVE ERA ..IT SO PATHETIC THAT STILL HORSE SLAUGHTER IS LEGAL IN AMERICA and PEOPLE STILL EAT HORSES.... WHAT A SHAME !
and movie producers shrugging off animals dying on their set. along with. oh yes lets not forget soldiers throwing innocent puppies off of cliffs!!! and cops murdering family pets, and lets not forget the latest fad rounding up pit bulls to be murdered just because of what they look like. this world had become pure evil, no morals, no ethics, no compassion, there is nothing left but a bunch of soulless monsters. welcome to the age of enlightenment called the 21st century!!! NOT!!!!!!
this about rights of another living being who wants/like to live just like us. i am surprised that this movie was allow to even shoot . suppose if we going to make a movie about war or children abuse involve where people /children dies . would you allow people/children to get injured/ die same way the horses died ?
why animals is it because they can't speak or fight for their rights ? i don't know why , in the begin for what reason you make movies like this , when you know that their is injury/ death going to occur ?
i don't get it ? i thought we are living in a civilized world and humans are the most advance being. we have a choice to choose, to do the right thing , and its NOT hurt/abuse/harming anyone or any living being . period.
but i see we are still living in a cave era. sorry i wouldn't and i am sure many would not go and see this movie . VIOLENCE AND DEATH IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE REGARDLESS WHAT THE STORY IS ..there is many people in the world got heart and will always choose compassion over cruelty.
WORSE IS WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL/GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD AND YET WE LIVE IN A CAVE ERA ..IT SO PATHETIC THAT STILL HORSE SLAUGHTER IS LEGAL IN AMERICA and PEOPLE STILL EAT HORSES.... WHAT A SHAME !
He was responsible for leasing that farm which was a hilly sheep farm unsuitable for horses. Several other suitable properties were put forward by the horse trainer that would have cost the same amount.
He was also responsible for hiring staff that were not qualified to look after horses and vetoed every attempt of the horse trainer to hire suitable staff. He also prevented the horse trainer from making sensible training decisions. He insisted on letting his girlfriend train horses even though she was not qualified to even be riding them and caused many problems with their training when she did ride them. He also insisted on other unqualified people being allowed to ride horses.
Steve Old also did not put any safe and appropriate training facilities in place. This was because he wanted to ensure he got the job by coming in under the budget outlined by another more qualified Animal Coordinator. He prevented the horse trainer from putting any facilities in place other than those that the horse trainer paid for out of his own pocket.
Steve Old turned a blind eye to wilful abuse of animals - one case in which his own father was the abuser of a pig. This same person - Les Old - also sexually harassed a female staff member. When she told Steve that Les had groped her Steve fired her.
Steve used production money and resources on his own private projects such as The Great NZ Trek. He pulled staff members away from caring for the animals on the film and sent them to do work on projects elsewhere during which time they were paid with film money.
He bullied staff members into keeping quiet about any negative aspects of their work and told them they would be fired if they didn't fall into line.
The head horse trainer, another horse trainer and other wranglers resigned from the film after two months because their complaints about animal welfare were ignored and were not passed on to people higher up in the chain of command. Emails were sent after they resigned (in Feb2011) detailing everything that was dangerous and needed to be rectified. I understand that these emails have only recently been passed on to Peter Jackson.
simpler to just properly repair the fences. But stupid is that stupid does.
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/11/20/65507-a-statement-from-peter-jackson-and-the-producers-of-the-hobbit-about-animal-mistreatment-allegations/
Nonetheless, there are larger battles in the cruelty to animal campaign to be fought, in my honest opinion.
Boycott is the right way to show our position referring this cruelty. I read many ridiculous comments but "PODBOQ" is definately the worse I've seen. And it's even worse seeing his/her cold blood while talking about starvation as if it's just like watching the rain outside. You are disgusting and a product of our cubed society.
PETA isn't mentioned in the story, BTW.