Wait, US output of pollution has increased for that year measured? Something does NOT add up here. In the US, we have had several factors that have LOWERED our pollution output. First and formost is the EPA restrictions which get tighter every year. Second, we have the loss of industry due to the economic recession. Lastly, the loss of manufacturing jobs and businesses to China, Mexico, Viet Nam, etc... So exactly how is it that the US pollution output increased during this period??? According to the latest AAA survey shows there are actually fewer vehicles on the road in the US AND people are driving less due to the cost of fuel. With the closing of coal buring and deisel generators, due to restrictions, how does that create more pollution? Exactly how did we in the US increase our pollution output with all that is listed above being cut??? My BS alarm is going off like crazy with this claim. We all know pollution needs to be reduced as much as possible, but to make blatantly false, no, BS claims like this only hurts the cause to lower the pollution output. These "researchers" have failed miserably with this one. No wonder the skeptics are so entrenched in their way of thinking, they have moronic reports like this one to use as fuel for their cause.
Most of the new power plants being built of late are of the natural gas / coal fired variety. While they meet current EPA specifications, there are more of them so the net CO2 is going up.
PatDaddy67 - Where are these NEW plants and when did they open?
My personal experience is that I wanted to bring natural gas from the center of the street into my house but was required to purchase three energy efficient gas appliances, replacing two (less than three year old) energy efficient electric appliances to do it. Why? you might ask. Because government regulations on installing a "pipeline" require that a minimum amout of gas be used and that a specific need be demonstrated. I only wanted to convert my heating source from an electric plant somewhere in the mid-west, that lost 80% or more of the power it generated transmittining the power to where I use it, to a source that utilized all of the generation at the point of use.
PatDaddy67- According to the DOE, "The US took a total of 14 coal deisel plants offline permanently in 2009. The replacement source has yet to be approved."
Seems we did NOT "add" any new CO2 causing plants during this tested cycle. So I ask once AGAIN, how did we INCREASE CO2 output if we have been collectively shutting down the CO2 causing devices??? As I stated before, my BS alarm is going off and the "snooze button" aint working...
Let's go back to our high school and grade school science classes. If I remember correctly, plants like grass, trees and the rest convert CO2 to Oxygen which humans and animals breath. In other words, with more CO2 output there will be more trees and the planet will be greener?
Even id extra CO2 is good for plants (which is not always the case - see http://skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm ), the increasing heat and extreme weather (droughts and flooding) is much worse for plants.
See http://skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm
Sure, sort of like if you hold your head under water for 10 minutes, you won't need to breath anymore. If you were interested in finding out, you would discover that Co2 levels are higher then they have been in 100,000,000 years, and fast approaching levels not seen in 350,000,000. You would also know that Co2 is concentrated in rock form at the bottom of the sea, and before that happens, the sea acidifies. So, while plants may get a lot larger, most living forms that are mobile (like lizard, mammals and humans) will be dying off right quickly.
You stoopid repubs probably need to go back to school and learn ya somethin' cause you guys will ALWAYS say that global warming and greenhouse gasses are natural because the Koch brothers tell ya so. what fools you all are!
CommonSense Person is correct. CO2 is a plant fewrtlizer used by nurseries (they pump it in at over 1000ppm). We breathe out 40,000 ppm CO2 into 390pppm CO2 air. CO2 is still at the low end of the range the last million years barely about the level plants thrive at. It has enabled us to grow more food and feed more people. As for Skeptical Science there is very little there that is true. Also importantly temperatures have cooled the last decade slightly and are in free fall. In the US winters have cooled 4.13F the last decade - cooling in every region acccording to NOAA NCDC. The snow did not entirely melt in the west this year according to USGS and glaciers advanced. The whole AGW movement is collapsing and these scientists are trying to preserve their grant gravy train.
We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, but I know we'll meet again some sunny day! Keep smiling through, just like you always do, 'till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away! So, will you please say hello to the folks that I know? Tell them I won't be long! They'll be happy to know that as you saw me go, I was singin' this song: We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, but I know we'll meet again some sunny day! So, will you please say hello to the folks that I know? Tell them I won't be long! They'll be happy to know that as you saw me go . . . I was singin' this song: We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, but I know we'll meet again some sunny day! We'll meet again, we'll meet again . . .
Oh no, the CO2 has increased! Problem is, the BEST study data proves that global temperatures have been at a standstill for a decade, while atmospheric "greenhouse gas" concentrations have increased, proving that CO2 is not causing climate change.
The BEST study most certainly does NOT show that long term global warming is at a stand still. Nobody is claiming that the average global temperature rises to a new record every year. Because there are other things going on that can affect temperature in the short term (examples include solar cycles, the El Nino cycle, and volcanic eruptions), it takes longer than 10 years to see the increase in average global temperature. What delong is saying is equivalent to saying that because it is cooler tonight than it was this afternoon, global warming has stopped. Sorry, it takes more than a few hours or even a decade of temperatures to show with scientific certainty that global has stopped or is still occurring. The fact that 2010 was the new hottest year on record should be a clue (but not proof) that global warming has not suddenly stopped.
No, the study's co-author says so. The data, a graph of which I linked to, says otherwise. The data says there has been zero, zip, zilch, warming in the past decade. Furthermore, the study analyzed land temperature data sets and explicitly did not make any conclusions as to the cause of any warming.
So, in conclusion Dr. Pangloss, you are dead wrong and misinformed.
You remaining climate change crisis believers can childishly fear monger billions of children all you like but it won't change the fact that CO2 climate change belief is absolutely pointless, meaningless and irrelevant without addressing Human CO2 with CO2 mitigation. Taxing activities and lifestyles and goods and services and the air is not going to happen, not on this planet. Bank funded and "corporate-run" Carbon Trading Markets ruled by politicians are called; CLIMATE MITIGATION so consider climate change dead folks. And as far as the science world goes, the world of science denied their deadly pesticides as being dangerous for decades so exaggerating the effects of Human CO2 is plainly clear. Now to the good news, the planet is not dying from unstoppable warming and a future dealt with using courage and love for the environment is more responsible than holding the spear of death by CO2 stuck into the backs of billions of children. Obama didn't even mention the climate crisis in his state of the union address and the only way the former believer majority will get back in line is if we see the millions of scientists who are warning us of crisis, actually making themselves visible and believable. Exaggerating isn't a crime, anymore. REAL planet lovers don't WANT this misery to be true. Just who WAS the real fear mongering neocon in all of this then? Save the planet or die. Nice job girls. History won't be kind to this insanity of climate blame.
Meme Mine is a troll that posts the same set of messages over and over and over again across the Internet on any forum that discusses climate change. He has been caught posting on the same site using multiple personalities (sock puppetry) to dishonestly boost his message. He rarely responds to the topic of the article he posts on or responds to anyone who addresses his claims. He never backs any of his claims with science. I don't know whether he is being paid to make his anti-science posts or if he is just that obsessive, but he is not to be trusted.
Links to a few of his repeated posts:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=How+ironic+is+that%2C+considering+we+bowed+like+fools+to+our+Gods+of+science+for+25+years+of+%E2%80%9Cunstoppable+warming%E2%80%9D&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c933f7452b4afda8
(If the link above does not work, just Google "How ironic is that, considering we bowed like fools to our Gods of science for 25 years of unstoppable warming" .
Links to when he was caught using multiple accounts to comment on the same thread:
See comments 2 (Meme Mine), 3 (Al Bore), 14 (Dizzy May), 18 (Jack FrostBurrrrr!), and 21 (Rachel Carson).
Then see comment 22 where the site host points out that all of the above are sock puppets and bans him(site hosts have access to poster IPs, so they can tell if a single person is posting using different names) :
"In case you hadn't noticed, Meme Mine, Al Bore, Dizzy May, Mother Nature, Rachel Carson, and Jack FrostBurrr! are all sockpuppets.
Sockpuppetry is one of the only bannable offenses here. Bye, bye, Meme Mine.
Posted by: Orac | June 28, 2010 11:58 AM
"
In comment 24, Meme Mine comes back and pretends not to know what sock puppetry is or that there is anything wrong with it, pretending that he is being banned for "an opposing view" rather than forbehaving in a deceptive manner:
Sockpocket, never heard of it till now. You must be one to know one maybe?
"I'll leave you now and I'm sorry for posting an opposing view.
Oh, and stop scaring my kids, please?
Posted by: Meme Mine | June 28, 2010 12:04 PM
"
This is not the posting of an honorable person. Again, based upon his behavior, I would not trust a single word that he has to say.
Another example of sock puppetry from Meme Mine. Here, he is posting as mememine69 and Jum Bay, as well as Neil Craig (or he is using Craig's posts without giving credit elsewhere).
The world uses coal because natural gas is too damned expensive. When coal gets to be too expensive the world will start burning trees. If you want the world to use more eco-friends fuels you had better start making them cheap.
I just finished putting on a white metal roof. Sure makes a HUGE difference on a sunny day. For additional protection, an aluminum foil barrier underneath the metal will further reduce the heat from the sun.
I put a white EPDM roof on my house with a flat roof, and it made a HUGE difference in the summer. The 4" of polyiso insulation helps in the winter.
The aluminum foil barrier won't help because it will actually conduct heat to the substrate. The only way it could work as you say would be if you could some how isolate it from contacting either the metal or the sheathing below. Perhaps teflon spacers would work in that case.
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My personal experience is that I wanted to bring natural gas from the center of the street into my house but was required to purchase three energy efficient gas appliances, replacing two (less than three year old) energy efficient electric appliances to do it. Why? you might ask. Because government regulations on installing a "pipeline" require that a minimum amout of gas be used and that a specific need be demonstrated. I only wanted to convert my heating source from an electric plant somewhere in the mid-west, that lost 80% or more of the power it generated transmittining the power to where I use it, to a source that utilized all of the generation at the point of use.
Seems we did NOT "add" any new CO2 causing plants during this tested cycle. So I ask once AGAIN, how did we INCREASE CO2 output if we have been collectively shutting down the CO2 causing devices??? As I stated before, my BS alarm is going off and the "snooze button" aint working...
See http://skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm
but I know we'll meet again some sunny day!
Keep smiling through, just like you always do,
'till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away!
So, will you please say hello to the folks that I know?
Tell them I won't be long!
They'll be happy to know that as you saw me go,
I was singin' this song:
We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when,
but I know we'll meet again some sunny day!
So, will you please say hello to the folks that I know?
Tell them I won't be long!
They'll be happy to know that as you saw me go . . .
I was singin' this song:
We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when,
but I know we'll meet again some sunny day!
We'll meet again, we'll meet again . . .
http://thegwpf.org/cache/multithumb_images/1500539555.jpg
Get with the program and stop the chicken-little act.
http://******/iyhHe
So, in conclusion Dr. Pangloss, you are dead wrong and misinformed.
Links to a few of his repeated posts:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=How+ironic+is+that%2C+considering+we+bowed+like+fools+to+our+Gods+of+science+for+25+years+of+%E2%80%9Cunstoppable+warming%E2%80%9D&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c933f7452b4afda8
(If the link above does not work, just Google "How ironic is that, considering we bowed like fools to our Gods of science for 25 years of unstoppable warming" .
Links to when he was caught using multiple accounts to comment on the same thread:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/06/how_engaged_should_scientists_be.php
See comments 2 (Meme Mine), 3 (Al Bore), 14 (Dizzy May), 18 (Jack FrostBurrrrr!), and 21 (Rachel Carson).
Then see comment 22 where the site host points out that all of the above are sock puppets and bans him(site hosts have access to poster IPs, so they can tell if a single person is posting using different names) :
"In case you hadn't noticed, Meme Mine, Al Bore, Dizzy May, Mother Nature, Rachel Carson, and Jack FrostBurrr! are all sockpuppets.
Sockpuppetry is one of the only bannable offenses here. Bye, bye, Meme Mine.
Posted by: Orac | June 28, 2010 11:58 AM
"
In comment 24, Meme Mine comes back and pretends not to know what sock puppetry is or that there is anything wrong with it, pretending that he is being banned for "an opposing view" rather than forbehaving in a deceptive manner:
Sockpocket, never heard of it till now. You must be one to know one maybe?
"I'll leave you now and I'm sorry for posting an opposing view.
Oh, and stop scaring my kids, please?
Posted by: Meme Mine | June 28, 2010 12:04 PM
"
This is not the posting of an honorable person. Again, based upon his behavior, I would not trust a single word that he has to say.
Another example of sock puppetry from Meme Mine. Here, he is posting as mememine69 and Jum Bay, as well as Neil Craig (or he is using Craig's posts without giving credit elsewhere).
http://blog.greenearthbamboo.com/20110411/bamboo-scientific-tests/skepticism-vs-denial-global-warming-science-confirmed-again/
Nothing Meme Mine has to say is to be trusted.
If you want to see some real science on global warming, please visit http://skepticalscience.com .
Stay cool.
The aluminum foil barrier won't help because it will actually conduct heat to the substrate. The only way it could work as you say would be if you could some how isolate it from contacting either the metal or the sheathing below. Perhaps teflon spacers would work in that case.