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curse914 says:
by Libertarian1776 June 16, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
"Globol warming or climate change is hog wash!
Of course the shoddy scientist's will follow money!
It's a new form of tax, a shell game that Al Gore is getting rich with.

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So you are ok with paying 3 bucks and more at the pump to enrich Saudi. The very Saudis who sent their sons to knock down the towers.
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ubrew12 says:
Two years ago, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimated that sea levels would go up 10 inches or so by the end of the century. In making this estimate they didn't include the effect of ice melting off Greenlands ice-pack, or Antarctica's. NOW they admit that including these effects sea level will rise 3-5 feet by the end of the century, pretty much burying southern Florida.

Today estimates of global warming don't include the effect of melting Arctic permafrost or burping of oceanic methane clasts, which is estimated to dump tons of CO2 and methane into the atmosphere tripling any effect the IPCC has currently estimated.

Warming deniers say groups like the IPCC are overestimating the consequences of Global Warming. But recent history shows the opposite. They have consistently UNDERESTIMATED the effects of Global Warming, preferring to paint it with the 'happy face' policy-makers and right-wingers are looking for.

In doing so, they are doing our children and grandchildren NO favors!!
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michael_lyns replies:
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Anyone who tells you they know what sea level will be in 100 years is crazy. Experts can't even agree if it is really warming or not. It all depends on where you take your measurements and how you analyze them. A system as complex as the climate can not be accurately modeled. Nor I believe can we change it, for better or worse.
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troutfishyman says:
by stn_sage June 16, 2009 5:58 PM PDT
Finally, we need to see how events play out over the next 3-5 years,
then we can make corrections.



The time for "wait and see" is over. Action is needed NOW.
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michael_lyns replies:
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Isn't that what Bush said just before invading Iraq?
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troutfishyman says:
by stn_sage June 16, 2009 5:58 PM PDT
Finally, we need to see how events play out over the next 3-5 years,
then we can make corrections.



The time for "wait and see" is over. Action is needed NOW.
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troutfishyman says:
by growlll June 16, 2009 4:53 PM PDT
About the only know fact here is most experts agree to disagree on the issue.




Only if you are talking about the "experts" on Fox "News".
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thisisreality replies:
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Never heard of Freeman Dyson, did you, little guy. He's more of a scientist than all of the global warmers put together. Most of your so-called "experts" on global warming are so incompetent they couldn't turn on a stove without catching their pants on fire. This includes Michael Mann whose "hockeystick" graphs are so beloved by Al Gore but which even the National Academy of Sciences says is not scientifically valid.
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stn_sage says:
INTERESTING! No new research, but a much more severe analysis and findings!

First, this is the report that SHOULD HAVE been released under the Bush administration, but they were too busy trying to suppress the truth!

Second, I believe global warming is occurring; but, it's NOT due to excessive coal-burning and auto emissions, etcetera. Those contribute,
but they're not the primary culprit!

Third, the whole galaxy is warming up! We are swinging into alignment
with the center of the Milky Way Galaxy and receiving higher levels
of incoming radiation. The other planets in the solar system are
warming up, too.

Fourth, what can we do? Protect the ionosphere for sure! It wouldn't
hurt to lower levels of auto and coal-burning assets, either!

Finally, we need to see how events play out over the next 3-5 years,
then we can make corrections.
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cattlekate1 says:
by -----One-American----- June 16, 2009 12:09 PM PDT

Uh, and your ranch is where? What are your irrigation rights? Storage rights? Do you have beetle kill? Have you noticed your peak flows changing? Perhaps your crops budding first with the early warm weather, and then being wiped out with a sudden storm?

Nope -can't answer - guess not. You have no clue as to where your food comes from, do you? You are just a pawn of the rich Limbaughs and Hannities who are mouthpieces of the Elite Big Oil.

Climate change is real.
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coolndwn replies:
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Um when is the climate not changing? Hey libs, if you don't want us burning oil fine, come up with something better... I'll buy that, but I won't buy man made global warming. Free market works but you gotta get off your a** and create something that works better then good ol' petrol.
ubrew12 replies:
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coolndwn said: "if you don't want us burning oil fine, come up with something better"

Burning oil is fine, just plant more trees, especially in the tropics. You'll have a problem with peak oil, of course, but that's really your kid's problem, and fvck them, eh?
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growlll says:
About the only know fact here is most experts agree to disagree on the issue.
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ubrew12 replies:
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The experts don't disagree. Here are the national academies of science that explicitly endorse the science of climate change and the conclusions of the IPCC:
Academia Brasiliera de Ci?ncias (Bazil), Royal Society of Canada, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Academi? des Sciences (France), Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany), Indian National Science Academy, Accademia dei Lincei (Italy), Science Council of Japan, Russian Academy of Sciences, Royal Society (United Kingdom), National Academy of Sciences (United States of America), Australian Academy of Sciences, Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts, Caribbean Academy of Sciences, Indonesian Academy of Sciences, Royal Irish Academy, Academy of Sciences Malaysia, Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand, Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
ubrew12 replies:
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In addition to these national academies, the following institutions specializing in climate, atmosphere, ocean or earth sciences have endorsed the science of Climate Change and think it is time to take action:

NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS), National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), National Academy of Sciences (NAS), State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC), Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Royal Society of the United Kingdom (RS), American Geophysical Union (AGU), American Institute of Physics (AIP), National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), American Meteorological Society (AMS), Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS).

So when you talk about disagreement, what the h*ll are you talking about??? Glen Beck???
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rheola-2009 says:
Same old sad story from the same old head in the sand deniers, praying fervently that their gross over materialistic lifestyle will not be taken away from them, by those who are forward enough thinking, to see the enormous danger we are placing our future generations in.

The evidence is overwhelming. put your fool brains into gear.
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trshack-2009 replies:
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The evidence is overwhelming that there are many factors other than man made greenhouse gases affecting our climate. Learn some actual science.
rheola-2009 replies:
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by trshack-2009 June 16, 2009 6:19 PM PDT

Of course, unlike head in the sand deniers, Iam aware there are many factors involved, however the undeniable evidence appears to be, that man's influence is the greatest factor in global warming/climate change.
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cdegolier says:
Blah, Blah, Blah, The sky is falling.
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