Comments on: NASA: Ozone Layer Disaster Averted

1980s Push To Cut CFCs Prevented Rapid Global Warming, Dangerous UV Levels

[jroach31]

Ice age claims in the '60's and '70's? This is a tired old distortion, much favored by the Denialist cult. They dredge up a couple articles in popular magazines of the time, and a political speech, made by a politician or two.

What they do NOT provide (because it does not exist) is any work published in a peer-reviewed journal of the day that predicted an imminent ice age--imminent in this case meaning any time sooner than 10,000 years from now. Global warming on the other hand, has hundreds of peer-reviewed articles supporting it, and the time frame we are talking about is a couple hundred years---much, much faster than any similar change has occurred before--too fast for most plants and animals to adapt.

Of course, for devoted Denialists to appreciate that, they would need to believe in things like evolution, natural selection, the scientific method, and the value of the Journal and Peer-Review process. And we all know that's just not going to happen.

[iDragon13]

If you can't spell people are probably going to be skeptical about your scientific theories. Perhaps if you actually paid attention in science class instead of religion class you would actually have a valid theory. Perhaps you would know that global warming can actually lead to an ice age. You might have learned that warming and melting in the arctic can actually stop the north Atlantic current and produce an ice age. But no, you'd rather believe the Earth was created in 6 days about 6,000 years ago. You would rather ignore potential disasters (see current economic crisis) and allow them to snowball (no pun intended) until it is too late to do anything about it. Then you would blame the Democrats. That's alright. That's what you do and now we all know it and accept it. It is a lot like a child with down syndrome. It is tragic but one learns to live with it.

[DoubleHappiness88]

It's all Bush's fault, right?
Posted by parisdakar

NO! it is NOT all Bush's fault! Only 8 years of it can be attributed to Bush.

[parisdakar]

It's all Bush's fault, right?

[briannorwood]

IF God didn't want us to have a hole in the ozone layer, he wouldn't have given us CFCs!
LOL!

[zipperfalcon]

No - it is you who are incorrect. The original poster may be mistaken about the 'ozone layer' part, but they are absolutely correct in that the original claim was that we were heading for what was called "an impending ice age". Look up Senator Gaylord Nelson's comments in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Nelson was the sponser of the 'Earth Day' movement that had school kids out cleaning up the environment. This 'coming ice age' was all the rage at the time, and was going to last for hundreds of years according to the 'experts'.

Posted by zipperfalcon at 4:57 AM : Mar 20, 2009

Imagine the gall of that man, actually having children clean up our environment! It just makes you sick doesnt it?

I really would love to hear your argument against Clean Air and Clean Water. Fire away genius.
Posted by curse914 at 5:56 AM : Mar 20, 2009

Why not stay on topic? Do you find the facts to be a minefield for your position? The fact that 'experts' use limited data to extrapolate long term projections that are frequently incorrect (or highly skewed at best) has no relevance on someones position on clean air and water.

[Aldymac]

Real scientists say that the hole in the ozone layer comes about by the solar winds created by the sun, but there is no money in that so we have the tree huggers fear mongering to get huge grants that go to raising their standard of living. Then they scare polititions into believing their reteric, and they get political power which then gets them more money, which gets them more political power.
This planet is far more complex than the huggers even know about, it has survived far worse senerios then the huggers fearmongering, real scientists are more concerned about what they see happening in the sun than what the huggers are trying to pull. The huggers ideas about recreating the earth to what they believe it should be is just another one of the things they have dreamed about, most of them don't believe the storey of creation but they believe they have the better idea of how the creation should have happened. Global warming is more of a money and politics scam than anything else.

[ianlou]

The 'experts also said in the mid 1970's that Lake Erie was so polluted that it would take more than 100 years of 'active clean-up costing hundreds of millions of dollars a year' before it would be habitable, and that it would never again support a fish population that could be used for human consumption.
Posted by zipperfalcon

Lake Erie got clean, fast, for the same reason it got dirty, fast, it's average depth is 20 feet.
It didn't take too long for all that industrial waste, sewage and dead fish to find it's way over Niagara Falls.

Lake Superior, Michigan and Huron, who's depths exceed 1000 feet, have a much slower reaction time to pollution, measured in centuries. If it wasn't for Lake Erie becoming so polluted, so fast, Environmental legislation would still be pending to stop massive pollution of the Great Lakes.

Thank You Lake Erie!!!

[Kuei1248]

Well, now the soldiers killing each other should now be able to do so without a severe sunburn.

[jroach31]

It must be a Denialist holy day....they're all here pecking out their flat earth ,anti-science lies and talking points instead of working.

[curse914]

No - it is you who are incorrect. The original poster may be mistaken about the 'ozone layer' part, but they are absolutely correct in that the original claim was that we were heading for what was called "an impending ice age". Look up Senator Gaylord Nelson's comments in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Nelson was the sponser of the 'Earth Day' movement that had school kids out cleaning up the environment. This 'coming ice age' was all the rage at the time, and was going to last for hundreds of years according to the 'experts'.

Posted by zipperfalcon at 4:57 AM : Mar 20, 2009

Imagine the gall of that man, actually having children clean up our environment! It just makes you sick doesnt it?

I really would love to hear your argument against Clean Air and Clean Water. Fire away genius.

[ianlou]

The Republican Spin:

Because this problem was fixed, it never existed just like Y2K and Global Warming.

[pensacola8-2009]

Most don't know that the Ozone layer offers a variety of benefits for all living things. The cancers to human skin were becoming increasingly easier to acquire because the UV - ultraviolet light was passing through the atmosphere in higher concentrations.

Increasing intensities of UV radiation were also contributing to higher risks for blindness, because those wearing sun glasses that don't cover the eyes completely create the condition where the pupils dialate, or open up wider, and permit UV Light to enter in more easily though uncovered periferal angles. UV sunglasses are a must, especially in the sky or on the water. On the land, it does help preserve eyesight.

Many fish are being discovered to have color pigments in their skins and scales that are visible to UV suggesting that eyesight for fish is sensitive for UV while it is invisible for humans. The increased UV light suggests that fish are being required to migrate away from the polar regions or inhabit deeper waters to survive. It is a known fact that in the night time, far more fish are present and hunt for food in reef areas.

[zipperfalcon]

Text from the Senate floor:
WARNING - This is not for the sheep who get their 'knowledge' from headlines. If you read this you must be able to think for yourself.
http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm?party=rep&id=263759

[zipperfalcon]

The 'experts also said in the mid 1970's that Lake Erie was so polluted that it would take more than 100 years of 'active clean-up costing hundreds of millions of dollars a year' before it would be habitable, and that it would never again support a fish population that could be used for human consumption.

[zipperfalcon]

This is too funny. When they banned the CFCs they told us the hole in the ozone layer was going to plunge us into an ice age. Now they say it would have cooked us. Posted by M7241

you are totally incorrect. scientists never said the hole in the ozone layer would plunge us into an ice age. they always maintained it would raise worldwide temperatures. go ahead and look back through old newspapers and magazines.
Posted by bigsk8fan at 3:40 AM : Mar 20, 2009

No - it is you who are incorrect. The original poster may be mistaken about the 'ozone layer' part, but they are absolutely correct in that the original claim was that we were heading for what was called "an impending ice age". Look up Senator Gaylord Nelson's comments in the late 1960's and early 1970's. Nelson was the sponser of the 'Earth Day' movement that had school kids out cleaning up the environment. This 'coming ice age' was all the rage at the time, and was going to last for hundreds of years according to the 'experts'.

[bigsk8fan]

This is too funny. When they banned the CFCs they told us the hole in the ozone layer was going to plunge us into an ice age. Now they say it would have cooked us. Posted by M7241

you are totally incorrect. scientists never said the hole in the ozone layer would plunge us into an ice age. they always maintained it would raise worldwide temperatures. go ahead and look back through old newspapers and magazines.

[CMancos]

Is that supposed to make me feel better. Maybe when they stop mountain top removal down south Ill think about relaxing. What about all the other things they are doing to kill wildlife and mess up the environment? Do a google satellite image and look at the mountains they have decapitated in the southern US, just go to iLoveMountains.org, they will school you on what's going on.

[JB5752]

Sticking your head in the sand and think nothing will happen will not solve anything

[loneeagle57]

ummm nasa would you like to explain how shooting off rockets through the ozone layer doesn't make it look like swiss cheese?