Comments on: In America, Millions Breathe Too Much Soot

EPA Adds 15 Cities To Sooty Air List, Brings Total To 46; Environmentalists Critical Of Lax Standards

[debinok1]

Climate change was a way to unite countries who otherwise would have balked at the idea, they are all now united on a single front. Now the world economy is failing, follow the dots. Global or one world monetary system. not far behind that a global or one world government.

[debinok1]

Well, then it is a global conspiracy.
Posted by troutfisher4
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Now you get it, geesh, this isnt about climate, its about money, those who have the money have the power. Power can influence many. Think One world government, one world currency, one world religion. get the idea.

[troutfisher4]

DebinOK1

Like many, you are locked into an ideological position, not a factual position. Good luck.

[debinok1]

Under the Bush administration, those deniers would have received bonuses!!

Posted by troutfisher4
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To little to late, they have already risked their careers backingit, to go back on that now would ruin them. No credibility at all ever again.

[troutfisher4]

Which is the BIGGEST reason I doubt. anything the government can be that united about has to be fishy.

Posted by DebinOK1


Well, then it is a global conspiracy. Go back and review the list I provided :)

[troutfisher4]

Believe it or not there used to be many. But, threats of loss of tenure, loss of grants for research, have influenced many to join the growing ranks and support the current theory. Whether they really believe it or not, they will not risk their professional careers going against it.

Posted by DebinOK1


Anyway, I challenge to validate that statement with evidence.

It is simply not true.

[debinok1]

All scientific agencies of the U.S. Govt acknowledge the reality of anthropogenic climate change.
Posted by troutfisher4
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Which is the BIGGEST reason I doubt. anything the government can be that united about has to be fishy.

[troutfisher4]

Believe it or not there used to be many. But, threats of loss of tenure, loss of grants for research, have influenced many to join the growing ranks and support the current theory. Whether they really believe it or not, they will not risk their professional careers going against it.

Posted by DebinOK1


Are you joking??? Under the Bush administration, those deniers would have received bonuses!!

[debinok1]

No scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate.


Posted by troutfisher4
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Believe it or not there used to be many. But, threats of loss of tenure, loss of grants for research, have influenced many to join the growing ranks and support the current theory. Whether they really believe it or not, they will not risk their professional careers going against it.

[troutfisher4]

Additional,

All scientific agencies of the U.S. Govt acknowledge the reality of anthropogenic climate change.

[troutfisher4]

SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS THAT ACKNOWLEDGE THE REALITY OF GLOBAL WARMING:


INTERNATIONAL COUNCIL OF ACADEMIES OF ENGINEERING
EUROPEAN ACADEMY OF SCIENCES AND ARTS
NETWORK OF AFRICAN SCIENCE ACADEMIES
NATIONAL RESEARCH COUNCIL (US)
EUROPEAN SCIENCE FOUNDATION
AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF SCIENCE
FEDERATION OF AMERICAN SCIENTISTS
WORLD METEOROLOGICAL ORGANIZATION
AMERICAN METEOROLOGICAL SOCIETY
ROYAL METEOROLOGICAL SOCIETY (UK)
AUSTRALIAN METEOROLOGICAL AND OCEANOGRAPHIC SOCIETY
CANADIAN METEOROLOGICAL AND OCEANOGRAPHIC SOCIETY
CANADIAN FOUNDATION FOR CLIMATE AND ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES
INTERNATIONAL UNION FOR QUATERNARY RESEARCH
AMERICAN QUATERNARY ASSOCIATION
STRATIGRAPHY COMMISSION OF THE GEOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF LONDON
INTERNATIONAL UNION OF GEODESY AND GEOPHYSICS
INTERNATIONAL UNION OF GEOLOGICAL SCIENCES
EUROPEAN GEOSCIENCES UNION
CANADIAN FEDERATION OF EARTH SCIENCES
GEOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF AMERICA
AMERICAN GEOPHYSICAL UNION
AMERICAN ASTRONOMICAL SOCIETY
AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PHYSICS
AMERICAN PHYSICAL SOCIETY
AMERICAN CHEMICAL SOCIETY
AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR MICROBIOLOGY
INSTITUTE OF BIOLOGY (UK)
WORLD FEDERATION OF PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATIONS
AMERICAN COLLEGE OF PREVENTIVE MEDICINE
AMERICAN PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION
AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
AMERICAN STATISTICAL ASSOCIATION
ENGINEERS AUSTRALIA (THE INSTITUTION OF ENGINEERS AUSTRALIA)
WATER ENVIRONMENT FEDERATION
CHARTERED INSTITUTION OF WATER AND ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT
FEDERAL CLIMATE CHANGE SCIENCE PROGRAM (US)

[debinok1]

We cannot change the way the earth revolves or tilts these are major factors in climate. That and the sun and we have no more control over the sun than we do the earth. climate shifts are part of that. I am sorry your precious scientists choose to ignore the facts, just as some people choose to ignore the scientists.

[troutfisher4]

HINT:

No scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate.

[troutfisher4]

Has nothing to do with what the planet does all by itself.

Posted by DebinOK1

So you say that the current climate change is natural?

If so, find a scientific agency or organization that agrees with your viewpoint.


tick tock

[debinok1]

go back to human population
Posted by troutfisher4
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Has nothing to do with what the planet does all by itself.

[troutfisher4]

Answer:

There are 6.7 billion people on the planet today.

There were only a tiny fraction of that number during the last major climatic change.

[troutfisher4]

Because now its a cash cow, people are willing to pay billions in research grants, It also has massive finacial benefits on a global scale. This isnt about people, its about money.

Posted by DebinOK1



wrong answer

go back to human population

[debinok1]

Why is it such a big deal now?

Posted by troutfisher4
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Because now its a cash cow, people are willing to pay billions in research grants, It also has massive finacial benefits on a global scale. This isnt about people, its about money.

[troutfisher4]

The Forest Service, the first agency to join this valuable partnership with EPA has an important role to play in this conversation about consumption

Posted by DebinOK1



Partnership.

The FS does not report to the EPA.

[debinok1]

Excerpt from the partner profile of the FS and the EPA:

New challenges confront us as climate change, growing population, and consumption impact the capacity of the Earth%u2019s ecosystems. The Forest Service, the first agency to join this valuable partnership with EPA has an important role to play in this conversation about consumption