Comments on: U.S. Bends To Critics, OKs Climate Roadmap

Washington Drops Opposition To European, Developing Nation Concerns At U.N. Climate Talks

[afmca]

The EU should know that you cannot make a deal with the Devil and Bush is most definitely the Devil. Good and righteousness needs to stand up against what Bush and his admisnistration stand for. Congress caved and the Constitution is in peril; if the world caves then the very existence of the planet is in question. Does nobody have the backbone to stand up to the evil in the White House?

[octavianfdlr]

"For years, the rest of the world has sought to bring the Americans into the framework of international mandates. At this point, however, many seem resigned to waiting for a change in White House leadership after the 2008 U.S. election." --From the above article
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Does "the world" include China, the largest industrial carbon dioxide producer? Has "the world" also sought to bring China into the framework of international mandates?

Remember, the technology of burning coal originated in China. China should be leading the world in cleaning up fossil fuel emissions.

[octavianfdlr]

On Dec 14, 2007 at 09:48 AM, clestes posted:
Here is a list of accomplishments the Bush legacy will have.

1. Starting an illegal and immoral war which was completely uneccesary and killed a million civilians and displaced 4 million and 3900 US soldiers....
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Let''s not forget that after Bush started this war, Clinton continued it for eight years, and the next Bush still has not ended it.

Now another Clinton is promising to end it.

(What is a legal war?)

[mcvet]

The Bush administration has rejected reduction of fossile fuel burning citing severe economic impacts.The Cheney energy policy expands US interests in The Caspian Sea region where one third of the world''''s oil remains untapped. Big Oil does not want alternative energy because they are profit motivated. Big Oil & Corporate America dictate US policy not the people. We are just pawns in their game.




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Posted by samsel3 at 09:27 AM : Dec 14, 2007
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Nothing we have ever faced as PEOPLE has ever been easy, this is no different. It has been the problem and strength of our democracy since day one though. LOL We have no choice, those in our Southeast should understand that by now. By the time next summer is over they are going to have NO Water... It''s not like the 30''s either, where a change in the way people farmed solved the problem.

[mcvet]

It''''s called keeping up appearances. Europe was mad and threatened to boycott US talks. This most likely infuriated the US, made them pull their final card. Hey if it wasn''''t for US, your countries would be much worse off. So, Europe then tries to pretend to be firm to its citizens, and the US pretends it''''s going to do something which it won''''t... especially under these people... In the meantime the Arctic is melting.


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Posted by ttinsly at 08:41 AM : Dec 14, 2007
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Please stop being simple minded here... THIS is the best they can do at this time... will we move ahead? We have no choice, the only problem is how fast can we drag those we have ALWAYS had to drag into these things. Just look how long it took us to get where we are on Tobacco?? You folks ARE a bit of a problem when a solution is NECESSARY you know. Sieg Heil Bush!

[mcvet]

I believe a new progressive administration, climate data and international pressure will combine to counter the effects of Cheney and big oil. The oil influences will still be there, but if we vote intelligently, we can force the issue in the correct direction. Especially if the replacement technology is profitable. Which it is. Nothing drives change like a great idea combined with a great opportunity.


Posted by mrmazerati at 09:37 AM : Dec 14, 2007
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Oil is no longer an option and you are right we CAN get there but it will take leaders who know how to say something other than "Can''t". If we can put a man on the moon in a decade there''s no reason we can''t defeat the problem with energy. IF we can get the American People to consentrate ON the problem and not their hatred for their neighbor. The problem with Fascist rule, which is EXACTLY what we''ve been through division and hatred for your neighbor is critical to their winning. It''s not going to be easy but it can be done.

[clestes-2009]

Here is a list of accomplishments the Bush legacy will have.

1. Starting an illegal and immoral war which was completely uneccesary and killed a million civilians and displaced 4 million and 3900 US soldiers.

2. Lying to the American people about the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson. He promised to fire anyone on his staff is responsible and now we all know that was a bald face lie.

3.Accomplishing ZERO domestically and presiding over an economy that is tanking now and has every chance of getting worse.

4. Threatening war with Iran when he knew they had no nuclear weapon labs.

5. Denying climate change for 5 years. Manipulating scientific reports to uphold his denial. Following Katrina, he finally admitted climate change was happening but denied that the use of fossil fuel had anything to do with it. Refusing to take the steps needed to really make a difference.

I really like his statement that by next summer there should be a meeting to establish a goal. I thought that was what Bali and the Kyoto treaty were about?? It is past time to establish a goal and action is needed NOW.

In fact, shrub is the worse danger to the US in history. He is far more dangerous than either Saddam or Ahmadinejad ever were.

[mrmazerati]

I believe a new progressive administration, climate data and international pressure will combine to counter the effects of Cheney and big oil. The oil influences will still be there, but if we vote intelligently, we can force the issue in the correct direction. Especially if the replacement technology is profitable. Which it is. Nothing drives change like a great idea combined with a great opportunity.

[samsel3]

The Bush administration has rejected reduction of fossile fuel burning citing severe economic impacts.The Cheney energy policy expands US interests in The Caspian Sea region where one third of the world''s oil remains untapped. Big Oil does not want alternative energy because they are profit motivated. Big Oil & Corporate America dictate US policy not the people. We are just pawns in their game.

[mrmazerati]

I predict Bush will immediately start pushing hydrogen hard. Which is not a bad choice, in my opinion. It''s not an energy source in of itself (produces electricity for the engine), but it is the perfect carrier to replace gasoline. Hydrogen, combined with green technology at the power plant, could replace our outmoded fuels without destroying out current distribution system or forcing a complete paradigm shift in transportation. I think it''s a very good segue between fossil and all-electric. And we can then tell the Saudis and Russia and Chavez to go stuff their oil.

[formrusmcsgt]

For years, the rest of the world has sought to bring the Americans into the framework of international mandates. At this point, however, many seem resigned to waiting for a change in White House leadership after the 2008 U.S. election.

Gee, ya think this means that they''ve finally accepted that dubya will never pull his head out of the sand on the issue?