Comments on: New Warning On Arctic Ice Cap Melting

Satellite Images Show Volume Of Sea Ice At Summer's End Was Half That Of 2003

[marcodele]

Neoconism: Great list. I would add "carefully masked racism" and "profess less government interference into personal lives except a woman''s womb, everyone''s library records, and all phone calls."

[pakaal]

Seafang wrote: "they call it nighttime because there is no sun shining on the earth there, in wintertime."

Umm, don''t "they" call it nighttime ANYTIME the sun isn''t shining?

Man, and you''re actually trying to convince people here you understand the "science" you''re peddling? Good luck with that.

[rheola-2009]

Expert at disinformation, yes. Expert in the topic at hand? Not so much.


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Posted by pakaal at 05:26 PM : Dec 13, 2007

You are so correct.

I suspect he/she has a connection to the enrgy industry.

[pakaal]

"OOoops!! all the polar bears were supposed to have gone extinct way back during the several warm interglacial periods between ice ages during that 100,000 plus years"

Golly, and here I thought all you climate change deniers believed the earth was only like 6,000 years old or something. Can y''all get your stories straight?

[myidoncbs]

"I thought polar bears starved to death when there wasn''t enough ice to eat."

Statements like the above reveal the incredible depth of misunderstanding held by the repugs who refuse to grasp the fact that the average world temperature is rising at an alarming rate, that human activity directly contributes to this precipitous rise, and that "business as usual" just isn''t going to fix the problem before billions of people are displaced or killed.

Ignorance is SO SWEET... until reality reaches out to bite you in the a$$!

[rheola-2009]

Then those researchers that measure the hole in the atmosphere saying such shows a decline in global warming are what? Talented amateurs?


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Posted by denn034 at 05:20 PM : Dec 13, 2007
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As the hole in the Ozone layer was basically affected by different gases to those causing Climate change, and though I am certainly no expert, I can not see a corelation between the two.

And the general research that I have seen, bears up what I said.

[pakaal]

"Some Frenchman looked for an ozone hole and found one; instant problem that never existed till he looked."

Hey Seafang, how are those sun-exposure skin cancers doing these days?

[pakaal]

Posted by CO2Max at 04:57 PM : Dec 13, 2007

Good to see an expert on the job.
Posted by rheola
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Right, because when someone drops some pseudoscience babble about land and water masses that seem to support your Climate Change denialism, little facts like Bush''s own science advisor saying human influenced climate change is a reality sort of fly out the window.

Expert at disinformation, yes. Expert in the topic at hand? Not so much.

[prairiefox1]

Definition of a FASCIST, ie: a RepubliCon Nazi:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections
15. Vigorous DENIAL of all of the above!


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Posted by neoconism

YOU MUST FORGIVE HIM! SUCH A LIMITED BRAIN CAN ONLY RETAIN SO MUCH AND HE HAS SHOWN HIS FULL CAPACITY!

[thgdriver]

Their kind of intelligence is found in men''''s bathroom stalls.

Posted by stevex47

while your in there reading have you been doing any foot tapping too? LOL

[seafang]

So they found this polar bear jawbone in Iceland (this week''s news). It''s 110,000 to 130,000 years old.

OOoops!! all the polar bears were supposed to have gone extinct way back during the several warm interglacial periods between ice ages during that 100,000 plus years; some of which were much warmer than now, and the entire arctic ocean had melted. I thought polar bears starved to death when there wasn''t enough ice to eat.

[denn034]

The shrinking of the hole in the atmosphere indicates a decline in global warming. This is just way overblown.


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Posted by denn034 at 04:28 PM : Dec 13, 200

As usual, the deniers post desperately, without checking the facts assocciated with their [posts.

The hole in the Ozone, was caused in particular by one chemical, used in aeropsol spray packs.

If it is possible to extend your obviously limited thinking a little further, then you may see, that other gases could cause extreme problems in the atmosphere, as did these.




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Posted by rheola

Then those researchers that measure the hole in the atmosphere saying such shows a decline in global warming are what? Talented amateurs?

[seafang]

Well Ozone is formed when atomic oxygen (O) meets up with molecular oxygen (O2) to form (O3). ozone. Mother nature does not like atomic oxygen, so to get any for making ozone you need UV radiation from the sun, to bust molecular oxygen apart. Guess what happens over Antarctica in the winter nighttime; they call it nighttime because there is no sun shining on the earth there, in wintertime. No sun means no UV, merans no atomic oxygen which means no ozone formation. Meanwhile Ozone is very unstable anyway so even blue green light is able to destroy it and make molecular oxygen (O2).
In springtime, sunlight and UV comes back and ozone hole fills up. Plenty of evidence of ozone depletion, long before there was any CFCs. Some Frenchman looked for an ozone hole and found one; instant problem that never existed till he looked.

[thgdriver]

There is a silver lining in this --less sea Ice folly--

Less chance of another Titanic Disaster?

[hoosiernews1]

Ok, so the cites in this story are two to three months old. It comes out on the same day as a major story that the arctic ice cap has completely re-built itself and it was done at a record rate of 58,000 square miles of ice formed PER DAY. Not looking good for CBS News.......

[pakaal]

Oh, come on, this is just more liberal propaganda, everyone knows the arctic ice caps have been melting for millions of years, it''s a perfectly natural....

What? They haven''t? Gee, there goes another Global Climate Change Denial talking point....

[rheola-2009]

Posted by CO2Max at 04:57 PM : Dec 13, 2007

Good to see an expert on the job.

[thgdriver]

What institution did Al Gore obtain his PHD from in climatology?

Bugtussle U, home of the matchbook cover education.

[co2max]

CBS_Olive - Not to get on your case, but you really don''t know anything about geothermal dynamics. The ice may melt and if it were to do so, the weight would of the resulting water would make no net difference. The mass of the meltwater would spread across the surface of the earth as it becomes subsumed into the oceans. But the relative masses of the glacial volume is almost unnoticable compared to that of the Earth. Earth is 5.5 times more dense overall than water, and the water volume of all the oceans is not even 1/1000 that of the planet.

Neoconism - Want to know something funny (kinda)? The ozone hole shrank for a while,perhaps due to rductions of CFCs etc. but recently it seems to be growing again. We have records now from the Antarctic ice cores which suggests that the ozone hole has been there before repeatedly even before we invented air conditioning. In lab research, it has been found that CFC especially HCFCs do not necessarily have a direct effect on ozone. Again, the sun seems to be a prime factor in the behavior of the ozone layer.
Huh!!

[thgdriver]

that other gases could cause extreme problems in the atmosphere, as did these.


Posted by rheola

Exactly why I was worried about the gas Owl Gore passes day in and day out.