Comments on: New Warning On Arctic Ice Cap Melting

Satellite Images Show Volume Of Sea Ice At Summer's End Was Half That Of 2003

[ajmarine1]

He predicted that the %u201C30-year global warming trend%u201D would end in the next five to 10 years and that global mean temperatures in 20 years will be lower than today.%u201D


Gray said that global warming is caused by changes in oceanic currents, not carbon dioxide.


Gray also blamed the global warming hype on scientists who have a financial interest in grants to study the issue:


%u201CThis is driven by the scientists getting money to study it,%u201D Gray said. %u201CThey skew these facts in a certain way and write reports to scare people.%u201D

Gray seemed taken aback at all the attention former vice president Gore has received with his global warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth.

%u201CI%u2019ve been 50 some years working at (forecasting),%u201D Gray said. %u201CHow does he know more than I do?%u201D





Posted in Global Warming Myth.


How about in 2007?


Part 2

[ajmarine1]

Whew! Now that someone''''s posted one study from eight years ago by an Exxon-paid shill without a scientific background, we can all rest easy!

Posted by pakaal at 08:10 PM : Dec 13, 2007


Dr. Gray: Global Warming Not Man Made
May 9, 2007 %u2014 Spag

Dr. William Gray spoke this weekend at an annual convention of hurricane forecasters and dispelled the myth of man-made global warming:


%u201CGray, a professor of atmospheric science and the nation%u2019s best-known hurricane forecaster, focused on what he called the %u201Cgrossly exaggerated%u201D claims that increased carbon dioxide emissions were leading to global warming and indirectly to more hurricane activity.

%u201CYes, we%u2019ve had some global warming, but it%u2019s mostly natural,%u201D Gray said. %u201CThis is not a crisis for us. Even if it was, there%u2019s nothing we could do about it.%u201D

Gray said a pervasive influence of political correctness had led many weather experts to refrain from criticizing the science of global warming and noted that many experts in the mid-1970s believed the planet was cooling.

Part 1

[pakaal]

Hawksprings: "It has NEVER been proven that CO2 increases cause temperature increases. It''s always assumed. And you know what "assume" does..."

Oh, what, you mean proven like this?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070218194404.htm

What next? Dismiss the principles of evolution because it''s just a "theory"?

[aaabee-2009]

every time we have a severe weather event, it''''s blamed on Human-Caused Global Warming." Posted by hawksprings at 07:37 PM : Dec 13, 2007

Can''t agree with you on this statement. I come to these blogs on the weather stories, and it is the Global Warming Detractors who get on here and start making cracks about if it is cold, Al is wrong, and if it is flooding, Al is wrong and if it is fire, Al is wrong.

I don''t see advocates of global warming posting that all disasters result from climate change, though they, like me, will step up to defend Al.

My experience reading the comments section is that its a joke forum for anti-climate change retoric, every time there is a weather incident of any note, someone posts a crack about climate change.

And your exaggerations as you call them add to the muddying of the informational debate. Exaggeration is a form of misinformation, of lying, falsly putting words in others mouths about what "They" say, when in fact, "we" do not say anything of the kind. I read anti-liberal exaggeration on here in every comments section that just perpetuates untruths about liberals and the way "they" think.

"They all act as if we''''ve NEVER had Killer Hurricanes, Killer Floods, Killer Heat Waves, Killer Cold Snaps, Killer Blizzards, or ANY BAD WEATHER before Algore and The Consensus on Human Caused Global Warming told us that all these bad weather events are HUMANS'''' Fault."

[feelfree1]

Re: "Satellite Images Show Volume Of Sea Ice At Summer''s End Was Half That Of 2003"

Neo-fascist rebuttal: No it''s not!

[pakaal]

Hawksprings: "Was the Scientific Consensus wrong about a earth-centered universe in Copernicus'''' day?"

No, back then it was religious ignorance and intolerance that stood in the way of the findings of scientists. What''s your excuse?

[pakaal]

hawksprings: "They all act as if we''''ve NEVER had Killer Hurricanes, Killer Floods, Killer Heat Waves, Killer Cold Snaps, Killer Blizzards, or ANY BAD WEATHER before Algore and The Consensus on Human Caused Global Warming told us that all these bad weather events are HUMANS'''' Fault."

Sure, picking any single event (e.g. the heavy hurricane season in 2005) and saying it''s due to human induced climate change is dubious. Fortunately (or unfortunately), what we do have is a huge amount of cumulative evidence that supports the conclusion that we humans are changing the weather on earth. And no amount of Gore-bashing, listening to non-experts in the field who say "it just doesn''t sound right" as if that trumps scientific methodology, saying it ain''t so, or cobbling together half-baked and obsolete theories is going to change that.

Seems like the only time the deniers have a problem with the consensus of the majority is when it doesn''t go their way. Well, sorry about that, but that''s the way it is.

[hawksprings]

Over the Centuries, the "Scientific Consensus" does not have a good track record.

Was the Scientific Consensus wrong about a flat earth in Columbus day?
Was the Scientific Consensus wrong about a earth-centered universe in Copernicus'' day?
Was the Scientific Consensus wrong about humans not being able to exceed 15 MPH in the 1800s?
Was the Scientific Consensus wrong about a New Ice Age in the 1970s?

One could go on and on.
But I''ve got to go start a fire in the fire place to fight off this Global Warming 14 Degrees outside, and prepare to shovel 4-7 more inches of Global Warming off my driveway tomorrow morning.

[pakaal]

Gaye5: "Polar Ice Cap Studies Refute Catastrophic Global Warming Theories
by James M. Taylor (December 16, 2001)"

Whew! Now that someone''s posted one study from eight years ago by an Exxon-paid shill without a scientific background, we can all rest easy! Take that, international consensus of the worlds scientific community!

[pakaal]

Seafang: "Hate to disabuse you pakaal; your natural intelligence is so obvious; So what breed of cow do you ride into the town bazaar each day?"

Don''t have a cow, man! And back atcha: what breed of a$$ are you that you''d second-guess the consensus of the vast majority of scientific minds worldwide, not to mention Bush''s own science advisor? I''ll let your ''natural intelligence'' figure that one out, ''kay?

[hawksprings]

AaaBee,

I''m exagerating, but my point is that nowadays every time we have a severe weather event, it''s blamed on Human-Caused Global Warming.

So what caused all the killer weather events before Human Caused Global Warming?


It has NEVER been proven that CO2 increases cause temperature increases. It''s always assumed. And you know what "assume" does...

Newer, more precised studies about CO2 in core samples is showing that rises in CO2 concentrations have FOLLOWED temperature rises by as much as dozens or hundreds of years.

But you''re not going to hear that touted because the debate is over.

[aaabee-2009]

Come on!Posted by hawksprings at 07:18 PM : Dec 13, 2007

That is you putting words in other people''s mouths, its called paraphrasing. I haven''t once heard Al say any of those things.

He did go to the Arctic and the Antarctic, he went to the military and to NASA and to the guys pulling ice core samples.

None of what he documented is true? None of the stuff he was given was correct?

Really, if global warming is a hoax, it has a heck of a lot of participants, people, and those pesky instruments, and the soils and ice samples are all conspiring against the Republicans to make Bush look bad?

You say global warming isn''t true, which part? Which of the evidence isn''t true, which deduction made is false, which scientist has the better opinion?

How do you know any better than any other human being? LOL

[hawksprings]

mcv57
Money is not the root of all evil. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

Floods in TX, GA, and New Orleans did not start happening with Algore and The Consensus on Human Caused Global Warming.

That''s my problem with the Global Warming Sheep.
They all act as if we''ve NEVER had Killer Hurricanes, Killer Floods, Killer Heat Waves, Killer Cold Snaps, Killer Blizzards, or ANY BAD WEATHER before Algore and The Consensus on Human Caused Global Warming told us that all these bad weather events are HUMANS'' Fault.

Come on!

[mcv57]

I believe this article and the people who STILL suffering in New Orleans. Obviously, we know who is talking out of their other hole - nothing but grab coming out and it as a mouth.

[aaabee-2009]

AaaBee,
I think those are all great ideas.
Merry Christmas.
Posted by hawksprings at 06:51 PM : Dec 13, 2007

From across the aisle, may you and your family have a Merry Christmas too.

Same to everyone here actually!

[aaabee-2009]

Posted by mcv57 at 06:43 PM : Dec 13, 2007

Self deniel. See hawksprings list. Everything I think, say, or do is incorrect because I have liberal views. I have lived for four decades and have the same life experiences as most Republicans but my opinion is not registered with the GOP so I, and my despoiled world view, is invalid.

I only post here to find some comedic solice for my frivolously vacuous and insipid life.

[mcv57]

hawksprings,

Great, a saturated corrupt business, government, and now ... academic society. Money is the root of all evil, but how can you trust anything or anybody these days. Or, are we thrown into the logic of ambiguous and confusion only to turn to a whims "cry wolf, then reality arrives." Anyway, try telling the people in Texas and Georgia and New Orleans no such animal as floods. Who is the fool.

[hawksprings]

"Meanwhile, you could.....recycle so the landfills that are still getting full won''''t fill quite so fast. Or you can save more and spend less at Wal-Mart and pay off your credit cards. Or you can send some money to the starving children in (pick a country, any country has starving children), or you can volunteer at your local animal shelter or elder care facility. Or you can write to wounded soldiers home from war, or well, the list is endless.
Have the courage to do something."

Posted by AaaBee


AaaBee,
I think those are all great ideas.

Merry Christmas.

[hawksprings]

"Meanwhile, you could.....recycle so the landfills that are still getting full won''''t fill quite so fast. Or you can save more and spend less at Wal-Mart and pay off your credit cards. Or you can send some money to the starving children in (pick a country, any country has starving children), or you can volunteer at your local animal shelter or elder care facility. Or you can write to wounded soldiers home from war, or well, the list is endless.
Have the courage to do something."

Posted by AaaBee


AaaBee,
I think those are all great ideas.

Merry Christmas.

[aaabee-2009]

Have the courage to do nothing!

Have the courage to sit in front of your TV and watch Fox News and make a courageous decision to do nothing about global warming. It will be difficult, buy I have faith in the American people.

Meanwhile, you could.....recycle so the landfills that are still getting full won''t fill quite so fast. Or you can save more and spend less at Wal-Mart and pay off your credit cards. Or you can send some money to the starving children in (pick a country, any country has starving children), or you can volunteer at your local animal shelter or elder care facility. Or you can write to wounded soldiers home from war, or well, the list is endless.

Have the courage to do something.