Comments on: U.S. Rejects Mandatory Greenhouse Gas Cuts

Despite Scientists' Declaration And Senate Action, U.S. Official Wants No Mandatory Reductions

[hawksprings]

Jimfinster, it has NOT been proven that an increase in CO2 levels creates an increase in global temps.
It''s been speculated, but not proven.
It''s been assumed, but not proven.
It''s been claimed, but not proven.

It''s used to promote the scam.

[jimfinster]

hawksprings:

No argument with my math?

[hawksprings]

Erasmus, we keep being told of all the heat and drought that will happen, but you''re telling us of all the moisture you''re getting.

I don''t doubt that there''s a change in the climate, but the climate has always changed up and down.

Someday you will realize what a scam the Global Warming Scare has been.
It will rank right up there with the Salem Witch Hunts.

[hawksprings]

I forget Erasmus, you''re in BC, right?
Are you under water yet?
We''ve got lots of room in Wyoming when you go under water from the rising sea levels.

While you''re waiting for that to happen, you might peruse the following website:

http://icecap.us/index.php

[erasmus6]

Last summer and winter we noticed a definite change in our weather here. The temperatures in the summer were into the 90s. Last winter we had one wind storm after another and quite a few big ones. Usually we only have a few. This year it is happening again, we have already had a couple.

Also we don''t normally get very much snow and it is usually after December. Last year we got a fair amount of snow and it started before December and now this year we have already had 8 inches and showing signs of more in the next week or so. Not only that but we are also having tons of rain. In fact usually that snow would take days to disappear and it disappeared over night. Many places were flooding. It rained VERY HEAVY for a few days.

I think that hawksprings is in so much denial because he doesn''t see any changes where he is and even if he did he doesn''t understand how global warming is going to play out. Either that or he lives in a little bubble.

[jimfinster]

What percentage of the Earth''''s atmosphere is CO2?
What percentage of the Earth''''s atmosphere is man-made CO2?
Then come back and tell us all how such a tiny fraction of a fraction of ONE Percent increase is gonna cause the Earth to become inhabitable.
Posted by hawksprings

Maybe I can put in understandable terms for you:

As of 2007, the earth%u2019s atmospheric CO2 concentration is about 0.0383% by volume (383 ppmv) or 0.0582% by weight. This represents a 105 ppm (37.77%) increase above the pre-industrial average.

Atmospheric CO2 is currently increasing about 3 ppmv per year from human activities. Doesn''t sound like much, until we see that equals an additional 27 billion metric tons per year! That is per year, cumulative year after year. And that is why the temperature is increasing. See?

Since you have previously admitted CO2 is a greenhouse gas, would you like to argue that an additional 27 billion tons of CO2 per year will have no effect? Even the biggest knucklehead in the world (George W Bush) has now acknowledged these basic facts!!!!!!!!!!!!

[erasmus6]

"You listening hawksprings? Pull, pull, pull, pull, you can do it!" posted by jcr103

He can''t, it''s too far up.

[erasmus6]

"To those of you using record snowfalls in some areas as justification that global warming does not exist, the evidence is not that there will be no snow. The change will be evidenced by increased intensity and frequency in extreme weather patterns, both droughts and storms. You just stay in denial until you can''''t deny it any more. By then it will be too late." posted by heartlight3

I have tried to tell this to hawksprings before but he don''t get it. He obviously has not read any real information on global warming, he just keeps denying that it is happening because he doesn''t WANT it to be happening.

[lloydbest1]

(Part 2)
In case anyone is wondering how much money I''m putting where my mouth is:
1. Any errand I run that''s less than about 8-10 miles, I use my bicycle or I walk. I do not use my rig any more than absolutely necessary.
2. I keep my thermostat at 65 during the day; around 60 or a tad less at night. I do not air condition during the summer.
3. I buy local (not necessarily organic). This is a biggie. Fuel use transporting stuff from long distances to the store is a big factor in our oil use.
4. Most of my lighting is fluorescent. And I''m careful about how to dispose of them after use.
5. Whenever possible I buy used clothing, furniture and tools. Manufacturing new uses a lot of energy; much of it from fossil fuel.
I do this mostly because I am low income anyway and can save a ton of money. I am not virtuous. But you don''t have to be poor to do any or all of these and other "climate friendly" things I haven''t mentioned..

[lloydbest1]

Most of the recent methane and CO2 loading in our atmosphere is the result of our rampant fossil fuel extraction practices and America''s thirst for oil and natural gas. Bush''s opposition to even the modest cuts in greenhous gas emissions proposed at the Kyoto conference is rooted in his fear the 3rd world will have an unfair economic advantage and his belief in the possible (highly likely) hit in living standards our middle and upper classes would have to take.

I''ve got some bad news, folks:

Those lifestyles are unsustainable anyway. Even if rising methane and CO2 levels have no climate impact whatsoever it is still prudent to limit fossil fuel use and limit spewing waste combustion products. The overwhelming majority of U.S. citizens as well as Canadians, Western Europeans, Australians, New Zealanders and a round 750 to 1500 million others will have to live more austerely that they are accustomed to doing now no matter what. Better they learn how sooner while we still have some gas and oil left and time to adjust than later when we run out.
(end of part 1)