Comments on: Scientists: Most Polar Bears Dead By 2050

Government Scientists Project Two-Thirds Drop In Bear Population Due To Global Warming

[lorinkundert]

So What! It''s called evolution, species that can''t adapt always become extinct as they have since the dawn of time.

[sblake63]

We are all going to die folks! Bush caused this problem that evil polar bear killer! You evil SUV drivers are planet killers! Vote for the democrats, they will punish the evil planet killers and ban all their evil vices that are killing mother earth!

What I just typed above was a translation for the more simpler folk that come to this forum so all may understand what the radical environmentalist movement is really about.

Is anybody retared enough to believe one man (Bush) or anybody else can stop this trend. Does anybody realize that the core samples taking from the antartic ice cap has shown us that this planet has gone thru periods of gloabal warming that exceeds our current "plight"?

What a shame some of these cry baby enviromentalists wont go the same way the polor bears do.. Extinct!

[jerr11]

What great news!

When all the wild life is gone from the Alaskan wilderness, there''ll be nothing to stop the Republicans from drilling there!

[zoltaric]

Good! Polar bears eat humans. Let them die.

[keithle1]

Wow. That really grabs your attention. Is this for real?

[omega39-2009]

I couldn''''t read all the posts but I bet I can summarize them.
All Bush''''s fault
Posted by Xlib

Nope, Bush is blameless...for everything, it''s all someone else''s fault. The buck hasn''t stopped with Bush in 7 years, why would you expect it now?

[jjp735i]

What, you mean Bush allowed government scientists to release a report that was not watered down or blacked out? That in it''s self is a shock!

[xlib]

I couldn''t read all the posts but I bet I can summarize them.
All Bush''s fault
Everything was great until 1/20/00
It''s all America''s fault, we are dooming the planet. The rest of the world is fine, it''s all us.
You won''t read it here but there was another "global warming" trend back in, I think 1922. There were dire predictions then, polar bears dying out, etc, etc.
Then we had "the new ice age" back in the 70''s during the "we''re a selfish nation and need to suck it up carter years". What happened then?
Does anyone realize that the climate is constantly changing and shifting? Do we really know what the norm is?
You know how the left is saying that the whole global war on terror is a hoax? Well lefties, I think your powers that be and your msm is playing this up big time.
NOw, about the polar bears. Could this be the over population from the ice age 70''s?? That question is no dumber than those that think we can change the climate. That is the ultimate in elitism.

[the_quietman]

brianbwb
The earth and other bodies with gaseous atmospheres are constantly losing atmosphere into space, helped along by the solar wind. Space is mostly hydrogen not oxygen. The issue is closed system versus open system so please do not confuse matters. Earth recieves minerals and water on a regular basis via "shooting stars" (meteorites and cometary debris). The earth recycles it''s surface by subduction (usually slowly) and volcanic expulsion (rapidly). The interaction of an open system is what created the moon, added mass to the planet and most likely changed it''s orbit.
Mars has similar warnubg problems currently due to these same interactions but lacks a "Van Allen" belt so radioactivity and solar wind have an increased effect. Computer models that do not include ALL factors result in errors (GIGO).

For matters of health the pollution needs to be addressed but climate change will still occur as it has for the last 4.5 billion years. That is, as frightening as it may be, the way it is. Man has no control over the climate of Earth, we adapt or die like all the creatures before us.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by the_quietman

Ok, so lets accept for a moment your logic, so where does toxic waste go when dumped into the rivers, lakes, and oceans, to Pluto? Where do the emissions from autos, factories, and coal burning plants go once emitted?

The influences of remote objects in the universe are so negligible that the Earth can be considered, for all intents and purposes a closed system. True, there are oxygen atoms in space, but can you breathe out there? This is the only biosphere we have, and ignoring our effects on it only hasten our doom. Poisoning the hydrosphere is akin to defecating in the kitchen, dude, that is our only water supply. same goes for the atmosphere.

[the_quietman]

RE: "Anyone denying that waste accumulates within a closed system..."
The Earth, or more properly "Terra", is NOT a closed system. It is affected by, and interacts with, everything in the universe in one way or another but mostly within our solar system, including the gravity trapped objects beyond Pluto. Most notably in gaseous, radioactive and gravametric exchanges. not to mention the light, heat and wind from the sun. Treating any heavenly object as a closed system in a model produces errors in the output. Reacting as if those errors were truisms can cause more harm than good. Do some research on your own instead of acting like a californian.

[erasmus6]

Hawksprings

"jimfinster, where are you?"

I don''t think jimfinster wants to talk to you anymore. He is probably tired of trying to get you to see the light.:)

[rudy654-2009]

Anyone denying that waste accumulates within a closed system---which is all we''''re talking about---is obviously engaging in willful ignorance. We know it, and more to the point, they know it as well. Again, we are simply dealing with the fundamental cowardice of the conservative. Listen to a conservative sometime; all their positions are based on fear.
Posted by bobgee_1999 at 01:15 AM : Sep 08, 2007

You should know that this willful ignorance is about fear. If they can feign ignorance, then they do not have to worry about anything in their world ever changing. But it will, and no amount of willful ignorance will change that.

[rudy654-2009]

rheola, the higher elevations (8500 feet and up) are supposed to get snow this weekend... we''''re still waiting for global warming around here.
Posted by hawksprings at 12:18 AM : Sep 08, 2007

LOL. It''s so funny to listen to the ignorance about global warming! Oh, but there is no such thing. You are a scientist, right? Oh yeah, "you''s gradiated from Limbo Institoot of Consoirvative Studyss!

[bobgee_1999]

It is my sincere hope that all those who deny global warming, ozone depletion, and the growing tide of fascism in America (and probably the Round Earth theory) live long, long lives.

I would also like to point out to the dimwits who occasionally point to weather in isolated locales as contradicting the trend in global warming that they are, once again, barking up the wrong tree. We''re talking about averages not specifics, and we''re talking about climate, not weather (and no, they are not the same thing).

Anyone denying that waste accumulates within a closed system---which is all we''re talking about---is obviously engaging in willful ignorance. We know it, and more to the point, they know it as well. Again, we are simply dealing with the fundamental cowardice of the conservative. Listen to a conservative sometime; all their positions are based on fear.

[the_quietman]

hawksprings
Thank you!
Tou may find this of interest:
The 2003 survey of more than 530 climate scientists is available at http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=20861 . A summary of the 2006 survey of members of the National Registry of Environmental Professionals is available at http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=20512

[hawksprings]

Let us all pause to go and read the article at this link:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070814/NATION02/108140063

It tell of how in the 1920''s the headlines of the Washington Post read: "Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt."

And in the body of the article it reads: "great masses of ice have now been replaced by moraines of earth and stones," and "at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared."

Could it just be possible that our current "experts" are wrong (again) and that we''re seeing a natural cycle?

jimfinster, where are you?

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[rheola-2009]

Posted by hawksprings at 12:18 AM : Sep 08, 2007

Good on you mate.

Hang in there.

[hawksprings]

erasmus, you could never offend me!!! :)

rheola, the higher elevations (8500 feet and up) are supposed to get snow this weekend... we''re still waiting for global warming around here.

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[the_quietman]

Evolution in progress. Happens every glacation and again every interglacial period. Get over it.