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ExxonMobil Rejects Allegation That It Funds Research Aimed At Misleading The Public

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by hawksprings August 7, 2007 9:52 PM EDT

Hopefully the planet will warm to the point where Father Algore won't have to heat his pool anymore.

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by feelfree1 August 7, 2007 9:50 PM EDT

Waaahhh! Waaahhh! My globe is too warm!!!!

Just kidding. The assets of ExxonMobil and other petro-terrorist organizations should be seized and liquidated to help pay for some of the damage that they have done.

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by chbemu August 7, 2007 9:50 PM EDT
The short version is this: YES CO2 is a greenhouse gas, BUT from all sources, natural (volcanoes, forest fires, plant respiration, plankton, animal flatulence, vegetable decay) and man-made; 99.5% comes from natural sources. Of the 0.5% that comes from man-made sources (auto, truck, fossil fuel electric plant, and industrial furnaces and heating) only about ONE-THIRD is generated by the USA.

Therefore, even if we went to ZERO emissions in the US, that would address about 0.18% of the total CO2!! India and China are the sources of most of the rest of the emissions, since they are only in the early stages of industrialization and have HUGE populations. (Last week I heard it announced that China had now surpassed the US in CO2 emissions - RPH)

But, get this, just one major unscheduled (aren't they all?) volcano would swamp the annual contribution made by the US!! We have already had SEVEN (count 'em) ice ages, all of which were driven AND cured by global warming (the last ice age ended less than 12000 years ago--very recent in geologic reckoning).

Yes, we are getting warmer very slowly. Yes, CO2 does play a role. Yes this has happened before. BUT other major factors, such as variations in solar temperature, distance of the earth from the sun (orbit wobble), the earth's albedo (reflectance from snow cover), and geologic events (volcanism) can easily swamp out small variations in CO2.
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by one_american August 7, 2007 9:43 PM EDT
"This is one of the strongest of scientific consensus views in the history of science," Gore said. "We live in a world where what used to be called propaganda now has a major role to play in shaping public opinion."


No, Al. It's still called propaganda, and you are skilled at it, but only fools will buy it.
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by hawksprings August 7, 2007 9:38 PM EDT

aeasus, I want clean air and water.
I don't want Algore telling me how to live when he lives like the fat energy-hog that he is. And I don't want the government to have more control over my life and my wallet than it already has.

This issue isn't about clean air and water. It's really about control, power and money.
Follow the money for Algore and you'll see he's just as dirty as Exxon or any other "denier."

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by setumstrt9 August 7, 2007 9:38 PM EDT
You nailed it chbemu.

This is a way for the libs to increase taxes, especially on big business. I'm all for a clean planet, but when Al Gore tells me to change my light bulbs, and ride a bicycle, then he boards his private jet to fly to his next group tree hugging, it makes me want to puke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you crazy tree hugging granolas want to live in the stone ages thats fine, but until there is concrete proof we are increasing the temperature by more than 1 degree over the next 75 years, leave me and my taxes alone. Believe me, I pay enough taxes already.
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by one_american August 7, 2007 9:37 PM EDT
This isn't about pollution, folks; because carbon dioxide is NOT a pollutant!

But because Al Gore thinks differently, he wants to re-write the science textbooks, too.

Al Gore just wants to bilk money out of the oil companies so that the Democrats can form a liberal dictatorship in America.

Don't you think it is at LEAST a conflict of interest for Al Gore - to own a company that sells "carbon credits" to industries, while paying for junk science "studies" that push the global-warming meme?

And he still REFUSES to debate ANYONE on the subject! He just makes a stupid statement that "the debate is over" even before any serious debate has even begun!

Al Gore will surely go down in history as the world's biggest money-grubbing charlatan Democrat...ever...ever!

And the mainstream media will be held responsible for their complicity in the "global warming" sham.
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by aeasus August 7, 2007 9:25 PM EDT
Global warming or not...how could anyone not want a cleaner planet for themselves and future generations? I just don't see why there is room for any debate on that.
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by chbemu August 7, 2007 9:21 PM EDT
I find it hard to believe that almost no one remembers the last scare tactic claiming climate change. I remember well the early 70%u2019s when they tried to tell us we were going into another ice age because of auto emissions. I do not dispute that it is getting warmer, but mankind has little influence on the climate!! About 1100 years ago, it was warm enough that the Vikings grew crops in Greenland(where do you think the name came from), so it must have been warmer then than now. What caused it to get colder. There have been cycles of warming and cooling since the world began. This latest scare tactic is just a way to redistribute the wealth. It is all about money! I wish I knew how much good Al was getting paid.
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by iceman_1960 August 7, 2007 9:15 PM EDT
Conclusion:

"The skeptics assert flatly that their science is untainted by funding. Nevertheless, in this persistent and well-funded campaign of denial they have become interchangeable ornaments on the hood of a high-powered engine of disinformation. Their dissenting opinions are amplified beyond all proportion through the media while the concerns of the dominant majority of the world's scientific establishment are marginalized. By keeping the discussion focused on whether there is a problem in the first place, they have effectively silenced the debate over what to do about it."

Source:

http://dieoff.org/page82.htm
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by iceman_1960 August 7, 2007 9:15 PM EDT
Continued from previous post.

"...Balling (along with [Dr.] Sherwood Idso) has also taken money from Cyprus Minerals, a mining company that has been a major funder of People for the West - a militantly anti-environmental "Wise Use" group. Lindzen, for his part, charges oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels, and a speech he wrote, entitled "Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus," was underwritten by OPEC. Singer [Dr. S. Fred Singer] ... has received consulting fees from Exxon, Shell, Unocal, ARCO, and Sun Oil, and has warned them that they face the same threat as the chemical firms that produced chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), a class of chemicals found to be depleting atmospheric ozone. "It took only five years to go from... a simple freeze of production [of CFCs]," Singer has written, ". . . to the 1992 decision of a complete production phase-out%u2014all on the basis of quite insubstantial science."

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by hawksprings August 7, 2007 9:13 PM EDT

Where are all the Global Warming Sheep today? They should be on this board in droves defending Father Algore and singing his praises.

Someone posted the following question on the Heat Wave story, which bears repeating here:

"If the 'record' numbers of hurricanes in 2005 was 'proof' of human-caused global warming, what does the quietness of the 2006 and 2007 hurricane seasons prove?"

Hmmm??

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by iceman_1960 August 7, 2007 9:12 PM EDT
Gore is right. Many of these scientists are in the hip pocket of the polluters.

Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Ross Gelbspan.
(Harper'S Magazine, December, 1995):

"...But while the [Global Warming] skeptics portray themselves as besieged truth-seekers fending off irresponsible environmental doomsayers, their testimony in St. Paul and elsewhere revealed the source and scope of their funding for the first time. Michaels [Dr. Pat Michaels] has received more than $115,000 over the last four years from coal and energy interests. World Climate Review, a quarterly he founded that routinely debunks climate concerns, was funded by Western Fuels. Over the last six years, either alone or with colleagues, Balling [Dr. Robert Balling] has received more than $200,000 from coal and oil interests in Great Britain, Germany, and elsewhere."

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by one_american August 7, 2007 8:57 PM EDT
Don't you think it is at LEAST a conflict of interest for Al Gore - to own a company that sells "carbon credits" to industries, while paying for junk science "studies" that push the global-warming meme?

And he still REFUSES to debate ANYONE on the subject! He just makes a stupid statement that "the debate is over" even before any serious debate has even begun!

Al Gore will surely go down in history as the world's biggest money-grubbing charlatan Democrat...ever...ever!

And the mainstream media will be held responsible for their complicity in the "global warming" sham.
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by pepperp1 August 7, 2007 8:54 PM EDT
Big Al taking on the Cheney and his assistant Bush Jr. and their AEI friends and family go AL...I do not shop Exxon when possible funding deniers is just plan greed for this company with this type of sky high profits.
If only Al was Pr...
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by one_american August 7, 2007 8:48 PM EDT
Don't you think it is at LEAST a conflict of interest for Al Gore - to own a company that sells "carbon credits" to industries, while paying for junk science "studies" that push the global-warming meme?

And he still REFUSES to debate ANYONE on the subject! He just makes a stupid statement that "the debate is over" even before any serious debate has even begun!

Al Gore will surely go down in history as the world's biggest money-grubbing charlatan Democrat...ever...ever!

And the mainstream media will be held responsible for their complicity in the "global warming" sham.
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