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White House Draft Report Predicts Increased Risk Of Drought, Especially In Northwest

[jimfinster]

hawksprings:

Solar activity has been studied and measured for many years. There has been a small increase, but not nearly enough to account for the temperature increases we have seen. The empirical data shows the temperature increases are primarily due to greenhouse gases. The vast majority of research experts agree on this fact.

You will have to do much better than that.

[hawksprings]

erasmus6, that's nice that Mr. Gore buys 108 blocks of green power. What does that mean?

Gore buys his power from Nashville Electric Service, which gets it from TVA. TVA says less than 1 percent of its power is "green," - about 7 percent if you count TVA's hydro power. 90 percent of TVA power is generated generated by burning coal (60 percent) and by nuclear plants (30 percent). It also burns natural gas to generate power during times of high demand. (Details here

Neither NES nor TVA has the capability of directing only "Green" electrons down the wires to Gore's home, so, on average, less than 1 percent of the power he purchases is "green," or less than 7 percent if you county hydro power as "green."

People allude to Gore buying carbon offsets, but his spokesman says he buys them through Generation Investment Management, and GIM doesn't sell carbon offsets. So it is entirely unclear that he really does buy carbon offsets.

What he does through GIM is invest in stock in companies like Staples, GE and Johnson Controls.

So when he buys stock in GIM, an outfit his is chairman of, he is basically padding his investment portfolio whilst claiming to be green.

It begs the question: Does he REALLY believe his doom and gloom? I don't think so. But he wants you to so stock in his GIM company goes up.

[randalds]

I can't believe you don't see that and that it doesn't bother you. For me, I can only draw one conclusion: Mr. Gore doesn't believe his own propoganda. And I believe he does it primarily for personal gain.

Posted by HawkSprings at 06:15 PM : Mar 04, 2007

I see what you see, but I just don't see it the same way. I believe Gore really believes in what he's doing and is not doing it for personal gain. It's possible for two people to look at the same evidence and come to two different conclusions and that's what we have here. I understand what you're saying, I just disagree.

[erasmus6]

HawkSprings
Here is roughly some of the things that was in the article "Gore Defends Mansion's Power Consumption".
It says that Gore invests in enough renewable energy to make up for his home's power use. It says he buys enough "green power" such as solar, wind and methane gas to balance out his electricy costs-100%. He buys 108 blocks of "green power" every month and he is renovating his home to add solar panels. He leads a carbon neutral lifestyle. I will ask you again-What the **** are you doing? (other than obsessing over something you know nothing about)

[erasmus6]

HawkSprings
Ok buddy, I think you need some counseling. You are so obsessed with Al Gore it is pathetic. Did you read that article I told you to read about Al Gore defending himself? Of course not, because then it would have proved you wrong and you would of had to move your obsession on to someone else!

[hawksprings]

RandaL, Can't you see that Mr. Gore propogates and is part of the 'two class' system you don't like?
Mr. Gore goes around telling you and me that we're gonna destroy the planet unless we cut back and change our lifestyles, but he doesn't practice what he preaches. He and his mansion and other homes are exempt from what he expects from you and me.

I can't believe you don't see that and that it doesn't bother you. For me, I can only draw one conclusion: Mr. Gore doesn't believe his own propoganda. And I believe he does it primarily for personal gain.

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[montraville]

Solar cycles, etc. are not denied by climate scientists, but when you figure in that antropogenic co2 is likely a additive effect to the severity of the upcycle, this merely proves that the droughts, etc are coming will be worse because of anthropogenic co2, and will thus be worse than the droughts that occured before there was substantial amounts of extra co2. if you look through history (ie dust bowl, etc) when you bring in solar cycles, it's just more evidence that we have to act.

[randalds]

Randall said: "Some of the Richest humans on the planet have to let go of some of that wealth so common folk can build devices to stop them from putting that garbage in our air."

Shouldn't that include Mr. Gore, the Holy Father of Global Warming Hysteria?

Posted by Hawksprings at 11:42 AM : Mar 04, 2007

Randal (only one l in my name, thank you) didn't say this. I agree with it, but I didn't say it. Also I don't understand why people think liberals and environmentalists have a problem with all rich people? We don't. Just those who abuse their wealth at the expense of the people in general or who make their wealth in ways that harm the environment. The only rich people I have a problem with are the elitist upper "class" type like Bush who believe that their money makes them in charge of the rest of us. The kind of rich people (again like Bush) who want a two class society, a rich upper (ruling) class and a much much much lower class of people who serve them or work for them in one way or another.

[randalds]

Randall, when I cut and paste the link http://www.ecotality.com/blog/?p=350, it goes right to the place I'm talking about. Try it again before you dismiss out of hand the facts of Mr. Gore's hypocrisy.

Posted by Hawksprings at 11:48 AM : Mar 04, 2007

Ok this time the link worked, but I still don't see the hypocrisy. This a blog entry from someone who doesn't believe global warming is caused by humans and has apparently twisted the words and meaning of what Gore is doing to try to make him look sinister somehow. Even twisted it doesn't accomplish that. Gore's company makes money off from green investments. Hardly surprising as that's what companies are supposed to do, make money, and it's something he's never denied or tried to hide. So what's the problem? As far as I can see he should be applauded for his efforts in green investments, not derided because he doesn't put out some sort of disclaimer before hand saying that it's possible to make money this way. Everyone knows green investments are better then most.

[erasmus6]

HawkSprings
What? You're going to focus your obsession on Bush now? The problem started many, many, many years ago, long before Bush was born. By idiots that thought they could get away with spewing *** into our waters and air and there would be no consequences. We need to focus on what we can do about it now. And YOU need to quit focusing on everybody else and do what you need to do. With the rest of the world pulling together to try to fix things, Bush will have no other choice but to do the same or he is going to look like an idiot. (of course some people already think he does)