Comments on: Researchers Focus On Vaccine Deniers

Many In Small Oregon Town Believe Childhood Vaccinations Do More Harm Than Good

[jsilver2th]

Posted by jmcgilvray: "Fear and distrust of PROVEN science is a return to the dark ages. Denial of benefits provided by medical science is CHILD ABUSE."

Oh like frontal labotomies, shock therapy, ritalin, Thelidamide, DDT- right proven science- ha ha.

[bwright923]

amen alanW!

[spadeisspade]

I understand this mistrust about vaccines. Really, I do. But SAN DIEGO was treated with a lovely outbreak of measles due to an unvaccinated child that caught it on a trip to Switzerland last year. The quarantined literally hundreds of children who may have possibly been exposed.

If you want to opt out of vaccinating your child, fine. But you need to be prepared to alter YOUR lifestyle accordingly, not expect everyone else to alter theirs. Send your kid to a godddamn hippie school where no one vaccinates, so if they get sick, only people with your stupid convictions suffer- NOT everyone else.

All medications, vaccinations, food, even the air we breath comes with a warning label, side effects and risks. You can''t plum pick the ones you feel like you have control over, especially ones that put the public at risk (like children that are too young to be vaccinated- the ones likely to DIE of these illnesses). If you decide to do this, put your kid in a bubble, not everyone else exposed to your idiocy.

[jsilver2th]

Now if the FDA works as good as the SEC...

[jsilver2th]

Posted by tmittelstaed: "I live in Oregon and whatever you think, PLEASE don''''t think that the attitude in Ashland is any representation of the people in the rest of the state. It is mostly populated by CA immigrants who cashed out the equity in their homes and moved north because they wanted to find a Mecca that was weirder than San Francisco and they could buy a home cheap enough so they would never have to work an honest job the rest of their lives, and could spend their free time growing weed."

Wow - what a concept- thanks for the idea!!


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[alanw1077]

bwright923 , thanks for saying what needs to be said. You obviously understand the science and the medical side of this.
It''s sad that so many people who are completely ignorant of human biology and viruses and the way medicines work will impose their fears and ignorance on their kids.
Vaccinations have saved more lives than anything else out there. It''s not even close. What''s really ironic is, while impoverished mothers in third-world countries will routinely walk for miles to take their kids to a doctor to get shots that will prevent horrible diseases, we have privileged "civilized" and educated women in this country who have gotten the wacky idea into their head to stop vaccinating. How bizarre that the savages %u201Cget it%u201D while the spoiled housewives are as dumb as rocks.

[alanw1077]

That there are people in this day and age that are so stupid as to believe kids are safer without vaccinations just blows me(and most people) away. My kids are 3 and 2 and I would jump in front of a truck before allowing them to go out in the world without being fully vaccinated. It''s too bad parents this dumb can''t be forced to go visit polio victims in wheelchairs and iron lungs, or even visit the parents of kids who had died because they caught one of these preventable diseases. People who neglect their kids like this should not be allowed to be parents, period.
Just more proof there is way too much freedom in this country, including the freedom to attempt murder on our own kids.

[bwright923]

Everyone talking about how strong their immune system is needs to think about how vacienes work. They impart the same disease fighting antibodies that you got from the disease you were lucky enough to make it through without actually having to have the disease. Its like wearing a helmet insted of bragging about surving a crash that almost killed you without one. Yes you need to know what you are putting in your or your child''s body but just wholesale saying no to all is foolish.

[whitemale08]

Back when I was growing up there were only 2 vaccination shots to take...Polio and Small Pox.

I got the measels, bronchitis, the chicken pox and naturaly my immune system is super strong.

However nowadays because of ''globalization'', pharmaceutical companies like Merck are creating ''made-up drugs'' that do nothing but make you vulnerable to something else or cause some harmfull side-effect.

Like the papaloma virus vaccinantion now for boys too because according to Merck ''boys can transmit cancer sexually''....lol....What a joke.

Most these so-called scientists nowadays are nothing more then eugenisists.

[bwright923]

I hear about these "superbugs" and believe that had children been allowed to become ill, unfortunately, they would have been better off in the long run.

Posted by miriambk at 01:33 AM : Jan 10, 2009

Actually, those superbugs are caused by people going against the advice of their mainstream doctors and not taking all their antibiotics. There are some diseases that you don''t get a second chance at. Polio, measles, etc were all scourges of society and killed or crippled children by the thousands. Many people were saved due to the hard work of scientists researching these vaccines. You may say that i know kids that weren''t vaccinated but they are fine. Well, they are protected by all the kids who were vaccinated around them and don''t provide a conduit for disease to reach them.

[tmittelstaed]

I live in Oregon and whatever you think, PLEASE don''t think that the attitude in Ashland is any representation of the people in the rest of the state. It is mostly populated by CA immigrants who cashed out the equity in their homes and moved north because they wanted to find a Mecca that was weirder than San Francisco and they could buy a home cheap enough so they would never have to work an honest job the rest of their lives, and could spend their free time growing weed.

[miriambk]

Why all the vaccines? Entirely too many for kids now. I agree with standlee5.....children have to develop an immune system. I hear about these "superbugs" and believe that had children been allowed to become ill, unfortunately, they would have been better off in the long run.

[standlee5]

Lukyan?

[standlee5]

What do they give now, something like 28 vaccines before the age of two. It''s absurd. Then they try to get parents to freak out about the flu and get kids vaccinated for that. How will the kid develop an immune system.

[airport1207]

Well, In other words, Those parents are just putting their kids at risk of getting fatal virus.

[doorgunner3]

For as unique and special as Ashlandistan is, it sure is overpriced, overprivileged and over full of itself.

Now it appears it will be over-diseased.

Jim Shames used to be my doctor.

I feel sorry for him, trying to educate the uneducatable.

[doorgunner3]

I live a few miles from Ashlandistan.

They are unique and special.

Just like everyone else.

Grow up, people.

[garbosmed]

Nobody''s suggesting doing away with polio or measles vaccines. However, going back to the 1983 schedule (there weren''t any outbreaks of measles or polio back then) might be prudent given the huge increase in autoimmune diseases among children.

The reason for the huge increase in the number of vaccines is money. Congress indemnified the manufacturers of vaccines against liability, and now Pharma sees huge (read: Billions of $$) profits by lobbying FDA and CDC to approve and recommend and add these vaccines to the schedule. At a recent "Vaccine Stakeholders" meeting populated by Pharma researchers, the following quotes: "We don''t really know how adjuvants work." "What we need is a predictable regulatory environment." "We see pregnant women as an untapped market for vaccines."

[ubrew12]

Ashland, Oregon has the best Shakespearean theatre in this half of planet Earth. It''s awesome, and I would SO love to live even near it!

However, the decision to go against the medical establishment is fraught with risk. Ironically, their brave stance has made them useful to medical statisticians, about subjects for which statistical studies alone can determine some idea of a fuzzy ''right or wrong''. I wish them, and US, luck and love in making these difficult decisions for our children.

"Children wish fathers looked but with their eyes; fathers that children with their judgment looked; and either may be wrong."

[rwsmith29456]

Diptheria, whooping cough, rubella, polio, were major childhood diseases and often caused death or deformation. The list is a lot longer. People think these diseases are eradicated now and that the vaccines are worse than the disease. Evidence shows that diseases do not die out.