Comments on: Researchers Focus On Vaccine Deniers

Many In Small Oregon Town Believe Childhood Vaccinations Do More Harm Than Good

[Marie Zarankevich]

We are only just beginning to get a handle on the science behind our medical actions. -- Why are we acting as if we know what vaccines, or anything else, will ultimately do in this world?? -- It is bad science to do the SAME thing to the entire population of anything. -- We already know that, at least. -- Why aren''t we applying that logic to our medical knowledge?? -- We should tread more lightly in this place. -- We are only guests here, and not very good ones, at that.

[zietzke-2009]

It''''s a simple matter of public health and safety. A parent does NOT have the right to endanger a child, or to use the child to endanger others. Period.

Posted by jbrown88881

TO ALL: THe above was TOTALLY WRONG !!!

Google the following....AUTISM-MERCURY !

See for yourself....AUTISM is mercury poisoning from the vaccine additive called THIMEROSAL. If in doubt, also look up the MSDS ( material safety data sheet on THIMEROSAL) THere have been several great books on this subject. I support these parents in ASHLAND....Good for them ! Requiring children to have 22 vaccines loaded with MERCURY IS CRIMINAL.
THIMEROSAL is 49.6% MERCURY !!

By the way, BUSH''S FAMILY OWNS A HUGE CHUNCK of the ELI LILLY Pharmaceutical giant and BUSH Sr. was the Chairman of the board !! Do the research and save your child from Mercury induced AUTISM !

[doorgunner3]

you DIDN''''T READ. THESE PEOPLE ARE HIPPIES.

Posted by comeon11



I live a few miles from Ashlandistan. If these people are hippies, they''re the richest, most boring hippies I''ve ever met.

Yawn.

[comeon11]

Centerfall94 .....................you DIDN''T READ. THESE PEOPLE ARE HIPPIES.

[puzzler125]

Nope, parents aren''t necessarily the best judge of what''s "best for their children." Years ago do you think parents knew enough to get polio vaccines, smallpox vaccines, and other new vaccines for their children? No, they sure didn''t! If you don''t get your child vaccinated then your child can''t go anywhere because he or she could get a disease that you really don''t want him or her to get. I would love to see a study of some of the children who survived to adulthood without vaccinations and hear how they feel about getting avoidable illnesses and whether or not they chose to get their immunizations once the choice is theirs!

[centerfall94]

Small town bumpkins that put faith healing above medical science.

They care oh so much about fertilized eggs but oh so little about actual children.

Pathetic. And typical.

[perk235]

Some viruses are stable and have a low rate of mutation; so is immuno-recognition remains protetive. Others, i.e. Influenza actively change their H and N loci so new vaccines are needed each season.
Posted by richbear39 at 04:58 PM : Jan 10, 2009
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All viruses mutate, and a low rate of mutation does not mean that a mutant vaccine-resistant strain will not show up.

Indeed, a virus with a "low rate" of mutation would put it in par with bacterial species that have shown, quite clearly, to become a health threat as we see the rise in antibiotic-resistant bacteria. It only is a matter of time (the rate of mutation).

This is the whole basis of the success of certain vaccines against certain viruses. the lower the rate of mutation, the more effective a vaccine can be. However, those vaccines are only successful the virus is kept at bay, because as the virus lives in a person, so does it mutate.

A low rate of mutation is not an argument for safety against viruses, as we have seen with bacterial that gain resistance to antibiotics. Slowly, but surely and lethally.

This issue is an excellent example of the conflict between the public good and individual rights. But make no mistake and that the public good is at stake here.

[mtredhawk200]

After working in a nursing home and watching 6 patients die because some twit brought her unvaccinated kids in to visit grandma and gave everyone the flu....(yes grandma died,too.) I believe that vaccines protect other people as well as yourself.

[imrebeke]

This entire discussion misses the point.

It is completely immaterial who is right and who is wrong with respect to immunization. What matters is one thing: the only people who have any moral right to make any determination vis-a-vis a child''s medical care and treatment are that child''s parents. Period.

The government has no such right. The schools have no such right. The medical establishment has no such right. The community has no such right. Society - in whole or in part - has no such right.

No parent should ever be forced to have any medical treatment administered to his or her child if the parent is of the opinion that such treatment has the slightest chance of being more harmful to the child than the condition which such treatment is ostensibly preventing, protecting against or curing. Whether there is any sort of subjective rational underpinning for that parent''s fears is irrelevant. The right belongs to the parent, not to society.

Parents have no moral obligation to take the overall good of a particular community or that of society as a whole into account when making decisions. Our responsibility is to decide what is best for our own children. We have no duty to place our children in harm''s way - even if only potentially - in order to contribute to the medical well being of the community or society. We have no responsibility to roll the dice with our children in order to participate in a herd mentality.

Only we parents can judge what is best for our children.

[richbear39]

Some viruses are stable and have a low rate of mutation; so is immuno-recognition remains protetive. Others, i.e. Influenza actively change their H and N loci so new vaccines are needed each season. For many conditions, if 70-80% of susceptibles get vaccinated,then they are much less likely to pass on exposure to unvaccinated, who triumphantly take moral high grounds of being Pure,when in fact they just benefit from "HERD IMMUNITY). One again Schiller, the 18th cent German Polymath is still correct. As he aptly put it "AGAINST STUPIDITY THE GODS THEMSELVES CONTEND IN VAIN. I just hope these vaccinephobics don''t lose a child in 12-36 hrs from MENINGITIS WHEN THEY ATTEND COLLEGE OR SOME OTHER CLOSE ENCOUNTER, for failing to vaccinate. Do they omit RABIES, PARVO. FDT, FEL-c from their pets? Hep a,b,c when they travel? Have they ever seen a Tetanus patient die in agony?or a post german measles baby w/ congenital deafness, cardiac anomalies, etc?
Do they remember the humongous societally frightening POLIO PROBLEM from the 20''s to the SALK SABIN MARCH OF DIMES efforts final success in the late 50''? Or the virtual eradication of SMALLPOX? I despair at their sadly misguided and ignorant holdings. Just stay away from me.. Results be on their heads

[Diamonddavej]

"Ummmmmm, HELLO *knocking on your forehead*, they have positively identified 10% of all autism cases with solid, scientific, genetic proof." -endrepubs

The autism spectrum is 92% genetic, not 10%. You cannot increase 10 fold a condition that is 92% genetic. But you can apparently increase autism''s incidence by broadening the autism spectrum to included more numerous mild cases not previously considered autistic.

"92% of MZ pairs were concordant for a broader spectrum of related cognitive or social abnormalities versus 10% of DZ pairs. The findings indicate that autism is under a high degree of genetic control and suggest the involvement of multiple genetic loci." - Bailey et al. 1995.

"Autism as a strongly genetic disorder: evidence from a British twin study. Bailey, A.; Le Couteur, A.; Gottesman, I.; Bolton, P.; Simonoff, E.; Yuzda, E.; Rutter, M. - Psychological Medicine, 1995"

[perk235]

if most of the people commenting here believe that their child could come down with a disease because someone else did not have a vaccine, then why are these commenting people having their child vaccinated?
Posted by tonic12345 at 07:40 AM : Jan 10, 2009
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If the virus can successfully infect someone that is NOT vaccinated, it can and will mutate. It could mutate so that the immune systems of vaccinated people would not recognize it (vaccine-resistent strain) and therefore those people could contract this new strain of the virus.

That''s why viruses are such a problem to get rid of in the first place.

An analogy in the bacterial world is that if I have an antibiotic-resistant bacterial infection, hospital workers wear protective gear because if they become infected with this bacteria, the antibiotics would not help them.

That''s why this is a public health issue as well as an individual issue.

[vcofreason]

The best the experts can say is it has some sort of genetic cause. Well that''''''''s not good enough. Researchers have been looking into this for well over a decade now.
Posted by endrepubs at 10:56 AM : Jan 10, 2009

Ummmmmm, HELLO *knocking on your forehead*, they have positively identified 10% of all autism cases with solid, scientific, genetic proof. There are many causes for cancer and you see the lunatics out there trying to sue everyone for that too. The reason they lump the vaccines, (that are ALL MERCURY FREE NOW, ALL OF THEM EXCEPT THE FLU SHOT AND YOU CAN ORDER THAT PRESERVATIVE FREE IF YOU PAY FOR IT, ARE YOU SEEING THIS YOU LOONS?), is because most lazy parents would never take their children in for shot after shot. They''d whine about that too. It''s SO RIDICULOUS. When these children start dying from whooping cough, you''ll complain about that too.

[vcofreason]

Thousands upon thousands of people in studies over years and years and years...there has NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER been ANY proof whatsoever that vaccines cause Autism and it never will because there is NO CONNECTION. Vaccine injury is real and for those whose children suffer, it is tragic beyond words. However, trying to blame autism on a vaccine is futile.

These uneducated people with their urban legend are creating legions of children who are now being exposed to AND ARE DYING FROM once almost eradicated childhood illnesses. Measles, mumps, whooping cough, you name it, are all coming back in HUGE numbers. Driven on by idiots like Jenny McCarthy and her drivel, they claim to be "educated". Jenny McCarthy claims that her child was CURED of an INCURABLE childhood condition. That alone should show her as the kook she is.

Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children should be denied their child''s entrance to public schools and be shunned until they get the vaccines. They should be forced upon the children without parental consent until these morons get it through their heads.

[Diamonddavej]

"My children were born in the 60''''s and 70''''s and their vaccination list was very small. Polio, DPT and later MMR. The children of these years as stated before did not have a high rate of ADD/ADHD, autism etc." - BarbJC1

In the 60s-70s, autism was thought to be a form of childhood schizophrenia, only the most extreme and rare cases were diagnosed. Today autism is recognised to be a very broad spectrum from relatively rare severe cases (now called Kanner''s Autism) to the milder and more common Asperger''s syndrome, which merges seamlessly into "normal" eccentricity.

ADHD was not officially recognised until 1987.

[erasmus606]

"One of the basic tenets of my decision-making is mistrust of the government, a mistrust of the pharmaceutical companies, and mistrust of the big blanket thing that says this is what everybody has to do," says Tracy Harding, an organic farming consultant and mother of two."

I understand where the paranoia is coming from. America''s government and pharmaceutical companies have done nothing but take the people of America on a big ride. BUT, that isn''t the case in other countries and we all have vaccines too. So unless America is using a different method in making the vaccines, I think that they should get over the paranoia in this particular case.

[dkhorse1]

What a crock, these bible thumpers are afraid to get a shot unless God tells them to.

There are kids in the United States, TODAY, with polio

becaus eof fools like these, I bet thay all voted for Bush

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Posted by pythoncharly at 12:08 PM : Jan 10, 2009

"One of the basic tenets of my decision-making is mistrust of the government, a mistrust of the pharmaceutical companies, and mistrust of the big blanket thing that says this is what everybody has to do," says Tracy Harding, an organic farming consultant and mother of two.

(Doesn%u2019t sound to conservative to me) plus they live in Oregon, you%u2019re denied residency if your republican there.

[sandy19731]

The best the experts can say is it has some sort of genetic cause. Well that''''s not good enough. Researchers have been looking into this for well over a decade now.
Posted by endrepubs at 10:56 AM : Jan 10, 2009
yep, I say give em two more years and if they don''t find the answer then endrepubs is in charge!

[sandy19731]

I''ve seen early 20th century photographs of children with secondary measles infections and wards of children being kept alive in iron lungs.
Posted by differnet at 11:01 AM : Jan 10, 2009

How soon we forget, that was a scary and awful time.

[thee0racle]

Ashland parents: don''t attend; it MUST be a trick. THe gov''t already knows the reasons you are not vaccinating. They just need you to present yourselves so you may all be infected...either as a test or to skew any future statistics that would have otherwise weakened their case.