Comments on: Nearly 1 In 5 Vets Reports Mental Problems

Study: 300,000 U.S. Troops Suffering From Depression, PTSD; 320,000 Have Brain Injuries

[hungry1968]

I''m sure that Bush, Cheney, and all of their fans on these boards will do like they always do with this disturbing news about our brave soldiers and sailors -- shrug it off, and say, "Oh well - they''re expendable anyway."

Posted by hungry1968 at 04:37 PM : Apr 17, 2008






And I come back on the boards several hours later and .....

I was right.

How sad for our country.

[gce65]

frankbowers:
You forgot to mention all those people (~80,000+) who served their time and were due to get out but were STOP-LOSSED by Bush.

[gce65]

Gateway1 (&Floydzepp):
Not to mention the Rand report only mentions 1-of-5 in reference to PTSD and depression, not all the other types of mental illnesses possible. And it doesn''t measure those who have left the military since Afghanistan and Iraq who are handled by the VA--if they can even get the treatment they need.

[frankbowers]

O! I FORGOT THEY ARE THERE FOR THOSE BIG BONUSES, WHICH IS MORE THAN I EARNED IN MY ENTIRE 8 YEARS OF SERVICE INCLUDING MY RE ENLISTMENT BONUS. I HOPE THEY HAVE NOT SPENT IT ALL AS THE RECESSION IS MAKING IT VERY SMALL EVER DAY AND THE TAX WILL EAT IT UP QUICKLY. BOWERS OF AUSTIN, TX

[frankbowers]

All these men and women have not one person to blame for anything they are experiencing. They volunteered even knowint gw bush had lied and started the war. They volunteered for the big bonus and the glory I say to heck with the lot of them no one twisted their arms and forced them to join. By now all serving are ther because they wanted to be there so DO NOT CRY NOW!!!!
i SERVED MY 8 YEARS AND GOT OUT SO COULD THE MAJORITY OF THEM THEY ARE FODDER FOR GW BUSH AND DIC CHENEY AND THEIR QUEST FOR CONTROL OF IRAQ FOR OIL AND THEY WANTED THE RIBBONS AND GLORY THEY GOT IT SO SUFFER AS ALL THE AMERICANS WILL HAVE TO WHEN PAYING THE TAX AND THE RECESSION THEY HAVE HELP GW BRING US.
FRANK BOWERS OF AUSTIN, TX. 3 HONORABLE DISCHARGES AND PROUD OF IT GW BUSH HAS NOT ONE AS A DESERTER GETS NO DISCHARGE PAPERS THEY ARE NOT THERE TO GET THEM.

[frankbowers]

All these men and women have not one person to blame for anything they are experiencing. They volunteered even knowint gw bush had lied and started the war. They volunteered for the big bonus and the glory I say to heck with the lot of them no one twisted their arms and forced them to join. By now all serving are ther because they wanted to be there so DO NOT CRY NOW!!!!
i SERVED MY 8 YEARS AND GOT OUT SO COULD THE MAJORITY OF THEM THEY ARE FODDER FOR GW BUSH AND DIC CHENEY AND THEIR QUEST FOR CONTROL OF IRAQ FOR OIL AND THEY WANTED THE RIBBONS AND GLORY THEY GOT IT SO SUFFER AS ALL THE AMERICANS WILL HAVE TO WHEN PAYING THE TAX AND THE RECESSION THEY HAVE HELP GW BRING US.
FRANK BOWERS OF AUSTIN, TX. 3 HONORABLE DISCHARGES AND PROUD OF IT GW BUSH HAS NOT ONE AS A DESERTER GETS NO DISCHARGE PAPERS THEY ARE NOT THERE TO GET THEM.

[gce65]

I''m skeptical of reports that come from the conservative Rand Corp. They have an interest in reporting or distorting things to look better than they are.

There are other more complete reports out there.
Here''s a good one that gives a more complete picture:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/04/veterans_mental_health.html

[gce65]

DeWatcher:
That wasn''t a personal attack. It was suggestive of you painting liberals (I guess that would be anyone less conservative than thou) with a broad brush as Ann Coulter frequently does. As such, it also mimmicks many of the things she says; it sounds like a broken record. The plagiarism reference has been most recently demonstrated by Cindy McCain.

[ioweign]

Can you explain again how if 1 in 5 vets report mental disorders, and 1 in 5 adult Americans report mental disorders, this is a story?


armydog2, tell me WHERE in the story it says that backs are being turned on vets. As for me owing them, EVERYONE owes vets. And I am a retired vet of 22 years service. What have YOU done for your country other than criticize it?

Posted by TheGateway1 at 06:42 PM : Apr 17, 2008

Did you ever take a military physical ?

Do you remember taking some written tests that may have made you wonder what the hell is this about??

If a "condition" exists prior to enlisting or it is determined that it was there before enlisting, you will be weeded out. Is goes for mental and physical problems ?

[gkc99]

"There is a major health crisis facing those men and women who have served our nation in Iraq and Afghanistan," said Terri Tanielian, the project''s co-leader and a researcher at the nonprofit Rand.
Unless they receive appropriate and effective care for these mental health conditions, there will be long-term consequences for them and for the nation," she said in a statement. "


Don''t expect any help from Bushit and Cheney--they promised a cost-free war and any evidence to the contrary will be ignored.

John McCain has been pretty quiet on this topic also. How does he plan to care for the more and more damaged soldiers who will be returning from McCain''s Hundred Year War?

Or will he follow the established Repugniscum pattern of pretending that if we don''t talk about it, the problem will go away?

Time to dump the Repugs and take our country back!

[demwatcher]

Posted by gce65 at 07:12 PM : Apr 17, 2008

Thank you. You prove my point. You just could not resist following rule Number 7.

[excoachken]

And, one of them with an untreated serious mental problem wants to be your next President. Rest light.

[dakotaclark]

Hmmm...

The percentage is underreported. Active military would be ostracized by superiors for admitting any sort of mental health issue.

Once out of the military, many veterans admit to having some difficulty. Unfortunately, many of them start using alcohol or drugs as a form of self medication, and some of them end up saying hello to law enforcement.

There are 13 distinct %u201Ctrouble spots%u201D many veterans, (Korea era to present), and active military experience, and they are any sort of difficulties with: 1) Alcohol. 2) Drugs. 3) Alcohol AND drugs, as a distinctly different issues that either 1 or 2 by themselves. 4) Controlling anger or assaultive type behavior. 5) More than one domestic violence incident with significant other or a family member. 6) Unemployment or spotty job history with gaps between jobs. 7) Underemployment, meaning good job skills, but can%u2019t get a job or keep one. 8) Having from 15 up to 150 jobs since leaving the military. 9) A history with law enforcement for drugs, alcohol, assaults, DUI, DWSL, theft, etc. 10) A history with law enforcement for trespassing, shoplifting, etc. 11) Going to jail for anything more than twice. 12) More than two divorces or relationships with significant others. 13) Two or more anger, domestic violence, drug or alcohol treatment, program failures.

Anyone recognizing several or more of these, should get a mental health eval, to rule out PTSD, posttraumatic stress disorder, or other issues.

[gce65]

DemWatcher:
Did you copy and paste that out of an Ann Coulter book? Just like a conservative to plagiarize. Did you learn that from Cindy McCain''s recent cooking page?

[johnshaft4]

I believe the troops were mentally ill before they went to Iraq. There is no valor in fighting a bogus invasion/occupation based on WMD lies. They should have split to Canada. No sympathy here.

[termtex01]

In the civilian population, the statistics for mental disorders is the same, 1 in 5 of the adult population. So how is this a story?

The military is under a lot more stress, yet they have the same percentages. This should be put out as a POSITIVE story on the stability of the troops we have, yet CBullS spins it as bad news.

http://www.apa.org/practice/pcmh-testimony.html

"Millions of vulnerable citizens struggle on a daily basis with mental disorders that undermine their present lives and imperil their future. To underscore the magnitude of this problem, according to Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General (U. S. Department of Health and Human Services [USDHHS], 1999), an estimated 20% of Americans ages 18 and older--1 in 5 adults--suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. "

[termtex01]

Proof that I struck a nerve on you liberals is that I go away for an hour, and you are STILL responding to my post.

Can you explain again how if 1 in 5 vets report mental disorders, and 1 in 5 adult Americans report mental disorders, this is a story?


armydog2, tell me WHERE in the story it says that backs are being turned on vets. As for me owing them, EVERYONE owes vets. And I am a retired vet of 22 years service. What have YOU done for your country other than criticize it?

[ioweign]

Gateway1 needs professional help. Call Dr. Phil.

Posted by minnick8 at 06:14 PM : Apr 17, 2008

Yeah - but remember, Dr. Phil isn''t licensed to practice medicine so he will fit right with the rest of the snake oil this regime likes to hand out...

[ehaw]

vote for ron paul, if he dont get the nomination, write

[armydog2]

hey gateway1

you are a complete jackass.The story here is how this administration is turning their backs on the very ones that they put in HARM"S WAY.with their greed and their f-u-c-k-i-n-g LIES. They owe them and so do you you sorry SOB