Comments on: Transplant Decision Too Late, Teen Dies

Insurer Initially Refused To Pay For Liver Transplant; Girl Dies After Procedure Approved

[inesje88]

Cigna is a for profit company. To call it a health insurance company is really joke. It is an investor-owned company pursuing profits& returns for its shareholders while discriminating against the ill. It is all about return on the investment and the sick get in the way. Way back in 1998 when the nation was struggling to radify the patients bill of rights, health insurance lobbyists and the pirates they hang with spent $60 million fighting that bill in 6 months.The money they spent trying to bribe elected officials came from the pockets of the people they insured. Let''s stop the deceiption, For profit health care should drop the words health care.

[poopusbuttus]

I''m Bill Clinton -- I like S.E.X.....

Now that that is out of the say, all of you liberals suck!!!!

[standlee5]

When everything is weighed and sliced and diced does this come down to when does cost outweigh benefit. How do you measure something like that, and insurance companies are put in that position every day. They can''t spend millions of dollars on every patient when it''s not warranted, the govt. would also have to limit costs. When you think of what AIDS patients cost the govt. this girls costs are probably minimal.

[geordiej]

if it was the right medical thing to do, and it was just a question of money, why did not the physicians, nurses and hospital do the surgery and adsorb the cost

[Netterz]

I agree that this was nothing short of a money issue, but I am unclear of WHICH side would have benefitted from the $. The question I have, is they stated the girl had been in a vegatative state for weeks. What quality of life would this youn woman have had, if any, should she have survived? Would it have been time spent in h3ll here on earth for her, or would she have been able to be brought back to live any sort of a decent life? Ins. co''s litteraly chap my arse anyways, along with the $ that any of the med society who admits they just ''practice'' medicine, my over all concern is what would the poor young woman been left with for any hope of quality of life. Shes in a far better place than she was here, living what she faced here. I share the greif of the family, for losing my father to the same ''medical/insurance'' mysteries of cancer. Find peace in the fact that shes no longer suffering.

[rohink-2009]

Not only are you creepy, you''''''''re a idiot.
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not only that, but you''''re AN ignorant moron with no grammer skills

Posted by ScarletPhD

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Excuse me ScarletPhD, I forgot the n while typing. Thank you for correcting my grammar. Now let me correct your spelling. It is grammar, not grammer.
btw, you really do sound like PhD with your use of foul language. Your soooooo smart to get around the censors with your creative spelling.

[geordiej]

It is easy to complain about an insurance company
The next article would be about how insurance is too expensive
I want to know whether or not Medicaid would have approvbed it

[jowand]

Open heart surgery, transplants ....etc wouldn''''''''t exist with this kind on thinking.

Posted by jowand at 09:55 AM : Dec 22, 2007
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You are comparing apples and oranges. Those are all proven techniques we that we know work.

if1952

How do you think they became proven techniques?????

[jowand]

Now folks you can understand why the citizens of Germany, by over 80%, told us our present day leader is a FASCIST. If this nation isn''''t sliding toward what the poster has posted I don''''t know who is! Thanks! You have proven my point very well indeed. SIEG HEIL BUSH!!
Posted by MCVet at 10:05 AM : Dec 22, 2007

The only party advocating more goverment cotrol and control of the media is the Democratic Party.

Progressives Uber Allies and Zig Hell to you too.

[lf1952]

Open heart surgery, transplants ....etc wouldn''''t exist with this kind on thinking.

Posted by jowand at 09:55 AM : Dec 22, 2007
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You are comparing apples and oranges. Those are all proven techniques we that we know work.

Keeping someone with no reasonable chance of survival "alive" by making their lungs expand with one machine and forcing their heart to beat by another machine or drug and keeping their blood pressure up with three other drugs is wrong. People with terminal disease deserve pain and anxiety relief and to made as comfortable as possible, not to have things done to them because of some sense that a miracle might happen if we just flog the patient''s body with strong enough drugs for a little longer. .

Doing things that only delay impending death, usually at the expense of both pain and money for the patient&family, with no reasonable chance of survival is what the hospital chaplain was talking about.

[jowand]

No! They like their counter parts today proposed NOTHING... NO PENSION, NO anything. It was our fathers who stepped up to the plate and supported a President who wanted to do something about the problem.
Posted by skyk at 10:02 AM : Dec 22, 2007

When you take out the people who don''t want insurance, people between jobs and illegals it''s about 12,000,000. Too many of course, Fed Government should force insurance companies to put everyone into large group plans this will reduce premium by as much as 50 percent. Put all of the Senators and Representatives on the same plans as everyone else, we are building an aristocracy in our Federal Govenment.

[mcvet]

Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.



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Posted by jowand at 10:00 AM : Dec 22, 2007
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Now folks you can understand why the citizens of Germany, by over 80%, told us our present day leader is a FASCIST. If this nation isn''t sliding toward what the poster has posted I don''t know who is! Thanks! You have proven my point very well indeed. SIEG HEIL BUSH!!

[jowand]

A hospital chaplain once told me that keeping someone alive in the hope of a miracle was attempting to place time constraints on God. If God intended a miracle, He does not need our help to "give him time to perform it".
Posted by lf1952 at 09:58 AM : Dec 22, 2007

If the family had money it would have been done, it''s not a medical issue it''s a money issue with a crooked insurance company. We have had do nothing Congress'', both parties, for over 40 years who have done nothing about fairness for patient/insurance other than run their mouths at election time.

[scarletphd]

A hospital chaplain once told me that keeping someone alive in the hope of a miracle was attempting to place time constraints on God. If God intended a miracle, He does not need our help to "give him time to perform it".
Posted by lf1952 at 09:30 AM : Dec 22, 2007

Yeah, why intervene in ANYthing? Let''s just sit back and stupidly let "god" do what "he" wants to do, and every person who gets sick from now on can die a painful agonizing death because "god" says it''s YOUR turn to suffer and die young today.

[skyk-2009]

When you have 47 MILLION citizens who do not have INSURANCE and the vast majority of the remainder that have to beg a profit motivated insurance company for care, you have a problem. Sarge is right! We haven''t seen this problem IMPROVE none at all during the last 20 years but it has gotten worse. Time to take the bull by the horns so to speak and act. We have to get back to the American Spirit of our fathers. When they saw older people and disabled people having to work until they died or become burdens on their kids they ACTED. Now we here people today say that Social Security was a bad Idea or that Social Security could have done better and that''s a phony argument PERIOD. You have to go back to the actual time and look at what was there at that point. The folks opposed to Social Security were NOT proposing some "Investment" plan instead of Social Security... they were not proposing some Work involved Pension Plan. No! They like their counter parts today proposed NOTHING... NO PENSION, NO anything. It was our fathers who stepped up to the plate and supported a President who wanted to do something about the problem.

[jowand]

Fascism
a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

[lf1952]

This is not about insurance - this is about good health care and utilization of donated organs.

Contrary to popular belief, death is NOT optional if you throw enough care/money/procedures at it.

Doing procedures that have NO *reasonable* likelihood of restoring the patient to a meaningful existence (patient''s definition, preferably) should NOT be offered to families, and families should ask the question: "What is the likelihood this will get him/her out of the hospital and able to be happy?"

"Do everything" is a OFTEN synonym for legalized torture - doing uncomfortable and/or painful procedures that have no reasonable hope of long term success in a patient who can''t protest. Doctors who accept that request from families, instead of sharing realistic expectations do the patient and the family a GRAVE disservice.

A hospital chaplain once told me that keeping someone alive in the hope of a miracle was attempting to place time constraints on God. If God intended a miracle, He does not need our help to "give him time to perform it".

[mcvet]

For those of you who believe Hilary care would have saved this girl, think again. In countries that have universal health care, the care is being rationed. Smokers are told they cannot have an operation. People wait weeks or even months for life saving tests or surgeries. I''''ve read two recent postings by women with breast cancer in countries with universal health care that were thankful they had private health insurance and could bypass the lines. Pity the poor in those countries that don''''t have this out. I agree that the insurance company made the right decision, based on the girl''''s medical history. Another person, not as sick, will benefit from that precious gift of a new liver.

Posted by sueco4 at 08:37 AM : Dec 22, 2007
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Typical Fascist response! Attach the proposal of someone who actually has an idea of how to fix the problem to a LIE about other peoples care and present NO solution. We have lived with and are LIVING with the Fascist solution. It is the same as it''s always been for EVERY problem we''ve faced in our history... do NOTHING. We can''t afford to do nothing. We MUST do what our fathers and their fathers before them have done. We need to attack the problem and take action. If "Hillary Care" doesn''t work completely or as it should we adjust or fix THAT. Keeping the failed system we have isn''t going to work that''s for sure!! Sieg Heil Bush!

[jowand]

A hospital chaplain once told me that keeping someone alive in the hope of a miracle was attempting to place time constraints on God. If God intended a miracle, He does not need our help to "give him time to perform it".
Posted by lf1952 at 09:30 AM : Dec 22, 2007

Open heart surgery, transplants ....etc wouldn''t exist with this kind on thinking.

[mcvet]

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Posted by poopusbuttus at 09:47 AM : Dec 22, 2007
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Now folks if you want to know what the Fascist solution to the problems we face EVERY day in the area of health care are, here ya have it. "I got mine and you can go to He11" and we wonder where our nation went? ROFLMAO Sieg Heil Bush!!