Comments on: Vaccine-Autism Link Case Goes To Court

Precedent-Setting Claim Over Whether Child's Autism Was Caused By Common Vaccines

[gaye5]

Shmedley1 spoken very well and you are so right, we are in the midst of an epidemic of autism. We are also in the midst of an epidemic of childhood cancers, diabetes, ADD, asthmas, etc..and still people dont wake up.

As I have said on here before, my husband has taught over 1300 children, and been a principal of many schools, and left the profession 10 years ago, and we only knew of one child who had autism, NO children who died of any cancers,and up until the last 20 years only a very few children who had asthma and diabetes. In his early teaching days he knew of only the very odd child with asthma, but before he left teaching when he used to take children on camp, over half had puffers for asthma, and over half had to line up each day for their drugs...
Of course IF autism was there 40 years ago it wouldn't have been called autism, but any principal would have heard of families who had a problem child..
Shmedley1 the reasons that these numbers dont get everyone's attention is because of the smoke screens and deceptions that the pharmaceutical companies put out.. they claim that these problems are not caused by them but that they have always been there or that it is some other reason... I am hoping that someone will keep the old stats so as they cannot be fudged in the future..

[teeus]

"...but I doubt that many on the other side of the issue have given the time of day to most of the questions I raised..."

That's a cheap shot. I responded to your "questions" a ways back. Did you not read it, or are you choosing to ignore it?

[sy2502]

glb1969,
actually, Shmedley1 seems a very reasonable person that debates in a civilized manner, so I don't want to paint him/her with the broad brush, but generally speaking, I do have to say that most people who completely discount evolution seem to have some inexplicable prevention against science. Warning sign are:

- Picking and choosing which science is "good" or "bad" on the basis of whether it supports their claim rather than how scientifically sound it is.
- Discounting sound mainstream science that contradicts them by claiming ulterior motives and conspiracy theories. At the same time obscure minorities are seen as champions of the truth.
- Failure to be as skeptical of the supporting arguments as of the dissenting ones.
- Belief in something until proven false, instead of skepticism of far-fetched ideas until proven correct.

Personally I have learned volumes from this thread and I have changed my position on some aspects of the issues, although nobody has convinced me yet that vaccines give autism, but I doubt that many on the other side of the issue have given the time of day to most of the questions I raised.

[teeus]

glb1969
Now, now. Don't lump us all in together. As much as I appreciate Shmedley's kind words and support, I think people who don't believe in evolution are seriously wacky.

You're being awfully sanctimonious, though: "...Before, I was trying to enlighten you and point out the pratfalls in ignoring logic and science..."

How about the fact that the much ballyhooed Danish study changed it's criteria and methodology halfway through the study? In what scientific forum would that be acceptable?

Every time you read "NO LINK" stories try this: Try to find where it says that it's proven that vaccinations ARE NOT to blame. Trust me--you won't find one. They all say the same thing--we can't find a link, but we can't disprove it either.

And not every prominent researcher is in the "NO LINK" camp. Several researchers for the CDC have admitted that they feel there may be a link after all.

No one is advocating a return to the middle ages when no one received any vaccinations at all. No one said we should get rid of polio shots after thalidomide. But how about safe shots? If this stuff is so safe, why was it banned from animal vaccinations YEARS ago?

[roxygirl5674]

I am a 26 year old mother of one. She was born in 2006. I personally believe that the vaccine they say caused her child's autism ...did in fact cause it.
I have studied and read up on many effects of the drugs and i have weighed my options. I have a pharmacy degree...but personal opinion is why i will not let my daughter receive this vaccine. People can judge those of us who are afraid of loosing our children to autism all they want but the fact of the matter is that i feel i am protecting my daughter and her best interests. I am betting that by the time my daughter enters into school...this vaccine formula will not be the same as it is today. After much research i feel as a parent i have to make this decision for her.
If you read about vaccines they all have side effects. No one has related autism to the vaccine and had it changed because the "legal" perspective of changing it is harder than just letting our children become one of the 1/150 that do get autism. That would entail accepting the fact that they gave our children something harmful. My grandmother had measles as a child and my mother had mumps..they are still here today.

[glb1969]

I quote the infamous Schedley yet again, "Also - hate to burst your bubble, but, evolution doesn't exist. "

WHAT? Oh, now I get it, you are religiously insane, and cannot possibly think in a rational/scientific way as you have been likely infected with religion your whole life. Too bad, I have met your kind before and there is no talking any reason to them, their disease prevents any other viewpoint (no matter how logical and scientifically proven) from displacing the fantasy world they see all around them.

So, Schmedley, I am sure you prayed to your "gods" for help with the autism issue. Where did that get you? NOWHERE. Before, i was trying to enlighten you and point out the pratfalls in ignoring logic and science, but I can see there is no point. Very few infected with religion ever recover. Should you go into remission, send me a line and I will be more than happy to return to debate. Until then, have a good life until the next epidemic hits.

[desimomof4]

As parents we do not owe anyone else anything. Our children trust us to take care of them not take care of an entire community. That community needs to take care of themselves and if they're vaccinated and my child is not (which they all are), then they won't catch the horrible disease that my child will pick up spontaneously and spread throughout the world.

[sy2502]

I have no plans on letting them play in the sewer or with fecies, so polio is not a concern.
Posted by Shmedley1 at 02:18 PM : Jun 13, 2007

Can you be 100% sure that people around your child can't communicate any such diseases? Look at SARS, and the recent TB case. All you have to do is sit next to somebody on the plane. America has countless immigrants and visitors from countries where these diseases are a problem. Can you confirm their hygienic standards are at the same level of yours? The only way to be sure is to eradicate the disease altogether, as was done with smallpox, through vaccines.

[sullytrips06]

To GLB, obviously you are not a parent. Upon becoming a parent of triplets in 2006, I now know that the only people that really matter are the small miracles my husband and I brought into the world. Have you written data supporting your theory that mass immunizations have actually been responsible for the decline in the diseases they claim to prevent? Look at a graph of all of the diseases from the 19th century on and you will see that these very diseases were almost completely eradicted prior to the start of mass immunizations. Do some more research and get back to me. As a parent, the individual needs of your own children and family HAVE to come before anyone or anything else.

[dcduke6]

Like I said yesterday - People that can post such terrible & cruel things are what makes this a crazy world for those who are autistic to live in. People who obviously have not had one on one experience with Autism, Never saw thier perfectly normal child change almost overnight after vaccines. With that said - Why dont you just remain silent. All of us are here to be informed, not ridiculed, and definetly do not lack stress day to day... but most of all do not need someone who hasnt a clue post such terrible thngs. Use all that spare time to go do some good ... perhaps go visit with some autistic individuals and help them.