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- Impeached ??? Does the Honduran Constitution even use the word Impeached anywhere in it ??? If so, please quote the Honduran constitution on that...
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- Just curious. What sources are reporting that ???
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- Earth to "ayatoldya". The Hondurans did wait. They waited while he had his left wing dictator friend in Venezuela print up his illegal ballots. They waited while he fired the army generals who refused hold an election that the Supreme Court ruled said was explicitly prohibited by the Honduran constitution ( just like such an election would be illegal and prohibited by the U.S. constitution ). They waited while the President raised a mob of like minded people who also wanted to illegally change the Democratic Constitution and the mob broke into government buildings to steal the illegal ballots. The Hondurans did finally act before the President's henchmen held an unconstitutional election run NOT by a democratic government but by pro-dictatorship private individuals.
Let Obama try to run an election on a constitutional amendment in the US and see how fast the Supreme Court slaps him down here. In both the US and Honduras it is the Supreme Court's job to ensure no President violates the Constitution. Some people in Democratic countries are willing to die to protect their constitutional rights, the question is, "ayatoldya", are you willing to die in an attempt to illegally take those rights away by violent means ??? - Reply to this comment
- Zelaya was impeached and wouldn't leave.
Obama is incompetent. Will he leave office when HE is voted out? - Reply to this comment
- The Honduran Supreme Court's order to arrest and try the left wing dictator should be executed if is dumb enough to return to Honduras.
By the time the criminal justice system get's around to his trial his Presidential term will be over and the critics who wanted him treated according to the letter of the constitution and laws in Honduras will have their wish.
Only difference, instead of sipping wine at the UN, the "left wing dictator want to be" will be rotting in a Prison in Honduras over the next six months.
But that is the letter of the law in Honduas, so let us all get on with enforcing it. - Reply to this comment
- A claim made by brianbwb-2009 on July 5, 2009 8:28 AM PDT
"impeachment, arrest, trial, and sanction is the legal course in " Honduras.
Really, brianbwb-2009, please share with us your vast knowledge of the constitution of Honduras. Please provide the citation and the wording in that constitution which speaks about impeachment and the role the Supreme Court in Honduras plays in the removal of a President from office...
OH, you can not do that, can you???
That is because you make these lies up as you go along, right ??? - Reply to this comment
- Cuba is a one party dictatorship kept in power by the military and a secret police state which locks political opponents and newspaper reporters up for life.
The Organization of American States, with the blessing of Obama, restores them to full membership in the OAS.
A democratically elected President is removed from power by other Democratic institutions ( Congress and the Supreme Court ) with the blessing of the Presidents own party, by a 100 to single digit vote of congress, for violating the Democratic constitution of Honduras and attempting to change that Democratic Constitution by illegal, one party, means.
The OAS suspends Honduras with Obama?s Blessing.
Cuba with a communist, one party, openly anti-democratic government is welcomed back into the OAS just a couple of months before.
It Appears Obama favors one party dictatorships like Cuba, Iran and Venezuela over multi-party constitutional governments like Honduras.
Strange thing is, the U.S. main stream media is OK with Obama?s position on this, even though Venezuela and Iran are in the process of shutting down and taking over all media outlets that disagree with the government?s propaganda.
Strange country the US has become recently. - Reply to this comment
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- "A democratically elected President is removed from power by other Democratic institutions ( Congress and the Supreme Court ) with the blessing of the Presidents own party, by a 100 to single digit vote of congress, for violating the Democratic constitution of Honduras and attempting to change that Democratic Constitution by illegal, one party, means."
I have no idea what a 'change to the Honduras constitution by illegal one party' means, but "Zelaya, a wealthy rancher who has shifted to left during his presidency, has drawn most of his support from the working and middle classes, while his opponents are based in the ranks of the well-to-do."
Also, it is actually IMPOSSIBLE to change the Honduras constitution without a two thirds majority of the National Congress of Honduras voting for that ammendment. There is ACTUALLY NO MEANS WHATSOEVER for President Zelayas to ammend or change the Honduras constitution by himself. How can someone break a law if there is NO MEANS of breaking that law?
I think what might be going on in the minds of these FASCISTS who really don't understand democracies or the Honduras constitution AT ALL, is that they EQUATE any conspiratorial action to undermine what they feel should
not be changed through referendum or the will of the majority as breaking the law.
This is NOT UNCOMMON for fascists to do. However, it has nothing at all to do with Honduras law, the Honduras Constituion, the majority of Honduras people, democracy and the ILLEGAL act of a military coup.
And the sweet essence of it all, when you hear someone believing that it is the FORIEGN MEDIA that is actually the victims of a propaganda campaign in Venezuela and Iran. Some things in life are so pure, they must be inhaled to completely appreciate.
- "A democratically elected President is removed from power by other Democratic institutions ( Congress and the Supreme Court ) with the blessing of the Presidents own party, by a 100 to single digit vote of congress, for violating the Democratic constitution of Honduras and attempting to change that Democratic Constitution by illegal, one party, means."
- Israel and Taiwan have reognized the new government, not likr you said that nobody has recognized it.
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- Hondurans were too fast on the trigger to oust President Manuel Zelaya. The country should have let him proceed to create the illegal referendum and then, after he obviously broke the laws he said he was going to break, he could face criminal charges and be expelled through correct governmental channels as opposed to being booted by military force.
This was the democratic judicial and legislative branches would have been allowed to exercise their powers, and their democracy would not appear to be suspended by an apparent military coup.
The installed president seems to be more of a dictator than a interim president by applying draconian measure to repress the Honduran populations freedoms. - Reply to this comment
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- Earth to "ayatoldya". The Hondurans did wait. They waited while he had his left wing dictator friend in Venezuela print up his illegal ballots. They waited while he fired the army generals who refused hold an election that the Supreme Court ruled said was explicitly prohibited by the Honduran constitution ( just like such an election would be illegal and prohibited by the U.S. constitution ). They waited while the President raised a mob of like minded people who also wanted to illegally change the Democratic Constitution and the mob broke into government buildings to steal the illegal ballots. The Hondurans did finally act before the President's henchmen held an unconstitutional election run NOT by a democratic government but by pro-dictatorship private individuals.
Let Obama try to run an election on a constitutional amendment in the US and see how fast the Supreme Court slaps him down here. In both the US and Honduras it is the Supreme Court's job to ensure no President violates the Constitution. Some people in Democratic countries are willing to die to protect their constitutional rights, the question is, "ayatoldya", are you willing to die in an attempt to illegally take those rights away by violent means ???
- Total ignorance.
The Honduras constitution does not allow the National Congress of Honduras
to pass any law amending the Honduras Constituion that would change term
limits.
This is a RESTRICTION on the amending of the Constitution by the GOVERNMENT
of Honduras, DUMB-*****, and violation of it is COMPLETELY under the control
of the National Congress. There is NO LEGAL provision for blocking a
petitition for assembly of the Honduras people through referendum.
"But instead of prosecuting him or trying to defeat him at the ballot
box, his political opponents sent masked soldiers to fly Zelaya out of
the country at gunpoint, and Congress installed Micheletti in his place."
This was not done by the Honduras people AT ALL. It was done ILLEGALLY
via a military coup by the Honduras GOVERNMENT.
THE INCREDIBLE IRONY OF THIS IGNORANCE being that THESE SAME DUMB-*****
commenting here are SOME OF THE SAME PROPAGANDISTS who went APE-****
over a political MINORITY opposition in Iran attempting to assemble for
change WITHOUT MAJORITY and WITHOUT Referendum. UnBELEEEBABLY Fascist
EXTREEEEEEEMLY hypocritical, AT THE SAME TIME.
- Earth to "ayatoldya". The Hondurans did wait. They waited while he had his left wing dictator friend in Venezuela print up his illegal ballots. They waited while he fired the army generals who refused hold an election that the Supreme Court ruled said was explicitly prohibited by the Honduran constitution ( just like such an election would be illegal and prohibited by the U.S. constitution ). They waited while the President raised a mob of like minded people who also wanted to illegally change the Democratic Constitution and the mob broke into government buildings to steal the illegal ballots. The Hondurans did finally act before the President's henchmen held an unconstitutional election run NOT by a democratic government but by pro-dictatorship private individuals.
- Looks like Brianbwb is not going to respond to my comment. I live in Honduras from 3 to 6 months every year. I have been doing this for the last 7 years and I have learned a few things about the Honduran people. The poor will only support those with their handout and have no loyalty to any political party. Most don't bother with voting because they know that whichever party is in power their future is not going to change. Mostly middle class people support Mel Zalaya. He raised their wages up to 60% in 1 year, destroying most business. The old story goes here, don't blame the politician for losing your job but the evil business owner. If so many people are able to protest for the deposed president, it only goes to show how many people don't have jobs to go to instead. Protesters are probably given handouts from Hugo Chavez to fill the streets.
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- The minute this traitor sets foot in his country they should round him up and shoot him.
In public! - Reply to this comment
- I wonder how much money we the tax payers spent supplying the people I saw in the picture waring American equipment and carrying American Made Assault weapons?
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- You forgot a couple of small details, first, the US is not in position to dictate what other countries do, we can only maintain that all international agreements and treaties be observed, anything further is pure BS, and two, the supporters (mostly the poor) of Zelaya far outnumber his opponents (mostly the rich).
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- I'm not sure that all the outside critics even understand what is going on, inside the country. The President of the country is supposed to implement the laws and wishes of the country. 'All' of these nuts in a presidential office must understand that it is the people that put them in office and they do not have unlimited power to do as they wish. Now that moron Chavez wangled a constitutional change through in his country and he will be able to stay in power forever, doing the controversial things he has de been doing, much like a dictator. Don't screw up Obama.
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- You forgot a couple of small details, first, the US is not in position to dictate what other countries do, we can only maintain that all international agreements and treaties be observed, anything further is pure BS, and two, the supporters (mostly the poor) of Zelaya far outnumber his opponents (mostly the rich).
- I'm not sure that rocketjl even begins to understand that the people who put Zelaya in office want hime to stay in office, at least until the end of his elected term. It's not actually clear what laws have been broken, as petitioning a referendum from the people of Honduras to allow a constitutional assembly to propose changes to the Honduras constitution that the people of Honduras would again need to pass by some super-majority in Honduras, is in fact not in violation of the current Honduras constitution. In fact petitioning your government through referendum and assembly are among the most valued of democratic principles. "But instead of prosecuting him or trying to defeat him at the ballot box, his political opponents sent masked soldiers to fly Zelaya out of the country at gunpoint, and Congress installed Micheletti in his place." BTW: Chavez needs to at a minimum win the popular vote in Venezuela each election year -- unlike George W. Bush who can indeed be elected by the Supreme Court against the wishes of the country. Speaking of dictators and screwing up.
