Comments on: Taliban Seize U.S. Soldier in Afghanistan

Military Confirms One Serviceman Missing For 3 Days; Militants Say They May Consider Prisoner Swap

[hower4]

by Mortarman29 July 2, 2009 10:16 AM PDT
"A bunch of guys running around with guns doesnt make them a government."

Actually throughout history and still today, that IS pretty much what makes a government!

[xlib]

hower-I think I know who and what you are. Bet you work for cbs, yes??
You do not make an argument nor do you attempt at any discussion. All you do is post one inane opinion after another.
I must say if you are a "plant" you have done a good job in spicing up the discussion board.
Now, you say our military "shoots bound civilians in the head", would you be able to cite that allegation?
And, btw, here's a news flash for you, does anyone believe deep, deep down that we have never "tortured" in any of our wars.
I bet I'm quite a bit older than you and even when I was a flaming liberal I never bought into the argument that we were above torture. Do I think we have gone to the lengths of some governments, nope. But I truly believe waterboarding is not new.

[Mortarman29]

Silly! You actually got it backwards. It is much harder to vote for the Karzi government, knowing the repressive Taliban is looking over your shoulder and will kill you in the middle of the night.

American soldiers wouldnt have hurt anyone for voting a different way.

Again, your position is silly and doesnt face the reality of the situation. Those folks were brave enough to defy the Taliban and go vote. Even knowing some of them might be tortured and/or killed by the Taliban.

[hower4]

by Mortarman29 July 2, 2009 10:28 AM PDT
"Hower, first off, the American people are the most giving in the world. We supply more money and more aid throughout the world than anyone."
Per capita - FALSE. America is one of the worst. Your media don't tell you that, do they?

"Second, I told you why Iraq needed to be invaded. It invaded a friend of ours (Kuwait). It threatened another friend of ours (Saudi Arabia) and threatened to take over its oil fields..........." etc. etc.- loads of bovine excrement.

Wow!!!! An impressive rewriting of history! You DID NOT invade Iraq when it attacked Kuwait, then you DID when it was actually conforming to the UN resolutions! Or are you claiming that there WERE weapons of mass destruction, but you just haven't found them yet?

[hermitdave]

by Mortarman29 July 2, 2009 10:31 AM PDT
They have the support of the people? The people of Afghanistan elected Karzi and the current government.

OK let us get real for a moment. Just what kind of a free election can you have in a country occupied by the invaders. This is as silly as the purple thumb Iraq sham. Please show me any anti American citizen, proud of his country, condemning the innocent deaths caused by illegal invasion, who won even county dog catcher in either the Afghan or Iraq phony elections. All leaders were APPROVED by the Cheney Bush crime family.

[Mortarman29]

Silly! You actually got it backwards. It is much harder to vote for the Karzi government, knowing the repressive Taliban is looking over your shoulder and will kill you in the middle of the night.

American soldiers wouldnt have hurt anyone for voting a different way.

Again, your position is silly and doesnt face the reality of the situation. Those folks were brave enough to defy the Taliban and go vote. Even knowing some of them might be tortured and/or killed by the Taliban.

[erasmus111]

"Bucktooth and all.."

: ) You're cute today.

[Mortarman29]

They have the support of the people? The people of Afghanistan elected Karzi and the current government.

But, let's say you are correct and the people support our sworn enemies, the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Okay...then they get what they get when we come in there and start killing our enemies. By supporting our enemies, you become our enemy.

[Mortarman29]

Hower, first off, the American people are the most giving in the world. We supply more money and more aid throughout the world than anyone.

Second, I told you why Iraq needed to be invaded. It invaded a friend of ours (Kuwait). It threatened another friend of ours (Saudi Arabia) and threatened to take over its oil fields. That affects us and our way of life. So, in the early 90s, we invaded to kick them out and to let Saddam know that it was not acceptable.

We gave hi ma chance to fly right. In the ceasefire agreement, he agreed to abide by certain rules. He did not do that. So, thus...as is the nature of ceasfire agreements, if you dont abide by the rules, then hostilities begin again. And thus, we finished the invasion we started years earlier.

All of this could have been avoided. Saddam could have kept his troops out of Kuwait. And then, once we had spanked his military the first time, he could have abided by the agreement and its rules. You see, all he had to do was behave, and we would have gone home and left him alone.

[hermitdave]

by Mortarman29 July 2, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
If the country of Afghanistan is holding him, then sure!
But what is the country of Afghanistan? Not the country led by our puppet. The Taliban has support of people in that country. America has no right to be there. It slaughtered thousands of Afghan women and children on the lame excuse it was looking for one man, a former CIA covert dude named Osama.

[Mortarman29]

They have the support of the people? The people of Afghanistan elected Karzi and the current government.

But, let's say you are correct and the people support our sworn enemies, the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Okay...then they get what they get when we come in there and start killing our enemies. By supporting our enemies, you become our enemy.

[Illuminated1]

The U.S. has a legitimate reason for being in Afghanistan.
It has been long known to be Al Quada's hideout which the former Government there had sheltered, since the war with the USSR.

Furthermore, our legitimacy extends farther since the Opium production has increased 1000% since the U.S. got involved.
Also, we have been in a drug war since long ago our president declared a war on drugs, we have a right to be there.

[Mortarman29]

I dont chorlte in glee that my country is being destroyed. But, at thsi time, there is nothing I can do to stop it.

But I do wish those that voted and supported these idiots to get the full measure of what they chose. I want them to feel everything that they have wrought. I want those that didnt choose these guys and gals to also feel it, so we might never again entertain the lunacy we are entertaining at this time.

Mayor Koch of New York City, once quipped after he was voted out of office "The people of New York have spoken, and now they must be punished."

The American people spoke last Novemeber. They have spoken over the last century, allowing their liberties to erode and their Constitution to be trashed. At some point, they will have to pay for those choices.

All I can hope is that my fellow Americans dont destroy the country completely in the process...and we can get back to what we were supposed to be doing...which is securing liberty.

[hower4]

by Mortarman29 July 2, 2009 10:09 AM PDT
"You berate Americans...but dont fully comprehend that we really dont care. Leave us alone...let us live our lives, and we will leave you alone. It is that simple."

It is also simply not true. Iraq did absolutely nothing to you, but you still invaded and killed thousands of people. Or are you one of the few idiots who still think Iraq was responsible for 9/11?

I comprehend all too well!!!!!! The only thing you're right about is that you don't care about anyone except yourselves........ it's that simple.

[Mortarman29]

Sorry. If the country of Afghanistan is holding him, then we can talk to President Karzi about his conditions and hold him and his government responsible for his care.

A bunch of guys running around with guns doesnt make them a government.

[ibsteve2u]

That is a hallmark of the right, isn't it? If they can't have it, they wish to see it destroyed - and so they chortle in glee over America's suffering.

[Mortarman29]

If the country of Afghanistan is holding him, then sure!

But criminal terrorists are holding him, not the government of Afghainstan.

[Mortarman29]

I love the fact that Obama's poll numbers keep sliding and sliding. The American people are starting to see (finally) what change means. And they dont like it!

[ibsteve2u]

That is a hallmark of the right, isn't it? If they can't have it, they wish to see it destroyed - and so they chortle in glee over America's suffering.

[Mortarman29]

I dont chorlte in glee that my country is being destroyed. But, at thsi time, there is nothing I can do to stop it.

But I do wish those that voted and supported these idiots to get the full measure of what they chose. I want them to feel everything that they have wrought. I want those that didnt choose these guys and gals to also feel it, so we might never again entertain the lunacy we are entertaining at this time.

Mayor Koch of New York City, once quipped after he was voted out of office "The people of New York have spoken, and now they must be punished."

The American people spoke last Novemeber. They have spoken over the last century, allowing their liberties to erode and their Constitution to be trashed. At some point, they will have to pay for those choices.

All I can hope is that my fellow Americans dont destroy the country completely in the process...and we can get back to what we were supposed to be doing...which is securing liberty.

[Mortarman29]

Hower, you never did have an argument. You berate Americans...but dont fully comprehend that we really dont care. Leave us alone...let us live our lives, and we will leave you alone. It is that simple.

[ibsteve2u]

No nation is "unconquerable"...but the similarity to Vietnam is stark, in that we may be forced to again ask ourselves: "Do we leave, or do we kill them all?".

For a nation that has no one left alive is well and thoroughly conquered.

[Illuminated1]

In VietNam we lost about 57,000 soldiers.
In the United States, we lose 40,000 civilian on the highways every year..
The Vietnamese lost about 2 million.
Word is the U.S. lost the war......I say not.

[hower4]

by Mortarman29 July 2, 2009 9:44 AM PDT
"I dont care about the history of invasions of Afghanistan. You still dont get it!! We dont care!!!!!!"

That says everything we need to know about Americans........... I have no argument.

[hermitdave]

by Mortarman29 July 2, 2009 9:47 AM PDT
OK then that answers my question. He is a enemy combatant, part of a group of men in the country of Afghanistan killing the citizens of that country. Remember one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. So just like Bush, they should hold him without any rights, until the Americans leave the country.

[Mortarman29]

If the country of Afghanistan is holding him, then sure!

But criminal terrorists are holding him, not the government of Afghainstan.

[noloyalisti]

SO it is OK to do terrorism if you a soldier of the USA. Interesting and would the rest of the world agree that the US is some kind of moral decider. I think they should hold any prisoners indefinitely, without charges or due process, just like we do here in America.

[hower4]

by noloyalisti July 2, 2009 4:56 PM PDT
"I think they should hold any prisoners indefinitely, without charges or due process, just like we do here in America."

Don't forget the torture! This soldier might know about where the next American air strike on Afghan civilians will take place, so to be fair he should be tortured until he confesses.

[Mortarman29]

The Taliban more civilized? Are you kidding me? Those terrorists at Gitmo are living better than they did back i ntheir home countries.

Unfortunately, our soldier will be tortured and beheaded.

And you had better read up on the Geneva Convention. Nations can detain enemy combatants, without charging them of anything, for the duration of hostilities (it is called taking their combatants off the battlefield so they wont go back to killing). All nations do this during war. We will release the prisoners when the war with radical Islam is over.