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Truce Deemed "Risky For The Palestinian Resistance;" Aid Worker For U.N. Killed

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by factsearcher January 8, 2009 7:47 PM EST
The factions reiterated in the statement their demands of "stopping the aggression, immediate withdrawal, lifting the siege and opening the crossing points, particularly Rafah." They also rejected the idea of deploying international observers in Gaza.
Taken from this article...
Does it sound hamas is looking for a peacful solution????
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by factsearcher January 8, 2009 7:45 PM EST
The Holy Qur%u2019an clearly states that if a person saves one life, it%u2019s as if he saved humanity, and if a person kills one human being, it%u2019s as if he killed humanity.

Posted by drmaqazi


That is so fricken funny.. I don''''t believe a word of it.. If it were true the Muslims would condemn those who crashed into the WTC.. Those who killed so many in Iraq.. Those who kill in Afgahn.. The followers of the Qur%u2019an only want to kill.. Ad they do not care who they kill..


Murdering Dogs.. all in the name of Allah (he who wears womens underwear and has $ex with little boys)!!!!!


Posted by ewe_fools


I''m telling you it is a different kuran...
maybe Bin Laden wrote a new one!
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by briannorwood January 8, 2009 7:42 PM EST
Voidmaster:

One more point. Just suppose Israel ceased to exist and was replaced by a Palestinian state.

How long do you think they would last before the Syrians or Egyptians conquered them?
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by factsearcher January 8, 2009 7:40 PM EST
The Holy Qur%u2019an clearly states that if a person saves one life, it%u2019s as if he saved humanity, and if a person kills one human being, it%u2019s as if he killed humanity.

Posted by drmaqazi

______________________

Ma
ybe Muhammad didnt get that Memo..

He was the Master of killers.


Posted by Moderator672
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Good one...especially because mohamed was only 19 years when he wrote it!!
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by fjinnw January 8, 2009 7:40 PM EST
Palestinian keep fighting.
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by briannorwood January 8, 2009 7:36 PM EST
Voidmaster:

You are jumping to conclusions, here. No one is saying wipe them off the face of the earth. At least not me.

My point is this. A history of accomplishmenet is what gives an ethnic group a sense of pride and unity. Sadly, the Palestinians do not have this. They remain an uneducated, uncivilized society.

I think this lack of accommplishment is what drives their barbarism. A sort of ethnic psychosis manifest by a xenophobic response of constant warfare.

That''s the sad fact of it.
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by factsearcher January 8, 2009 7:36 PM EST
The Holy Qur%u2019an clearly states that if a person saves one life, it%u2019s as if he saved humanity, and if a person kills one human being, it%u2019s as if he killed humanity.

Posted by drmaqazi

But it is obvious to the world that the kuran that you read and interprete is not the same kuran hamas, hezbollah, alqada and taliban are reading
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by factsearcher January 8, 2009 7:33 PM EST
"You are equating the failings of a religion with genetic pre-disposition. It does not work that way.
"--VoidMaster

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No, I did neither. I am simply asking a simple question. Can anyone name any accomplishment of even small significance of this brutally barbaric ethnic group in the entire history of the world?

Posted by briannorwood

Even though I understand where you are coming from.... even if it is true...
none of us, in any nation, religion or race should ask their worth according to their famous accomplishments in history.
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by voidmaster-2009 January 8, 2009 7:31 PM EST
And why is this? Because their religion anchors them to the stone age. All they have to offer is war and hate.

Posted by briannorwood
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Look, I have as much issue as does anyone with a lot of the Palestinians'' culture-based issues. And I will be among the first to point out that those issues are largely what holds them back. But you are implying that they should just be wiped off the face of Earth; eradicated. And to that end, you are about as justified as our fanatic friend, yourself5.
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by rusure5 January 8, 2009 7:30 PM EST
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"Retired Gen. K|r%u015Fat At%u0131lgan, the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) deputy representing Adana, has condemned the deadly Israeli offensive against the Gaza strip, which has so far killed more than 500 Gazans and wounded more than 2,500 others, and argued that the real target of Israel%u2019s bloody campaign is not to flush out Hamas fighters, as Tel Aviv claims."

%u201CThis is a disproportionate war that erupted in accordance with developments in Israel%u2019s internal politics. Israel%u2019s internal politics have reached such a level that the more Palestinians die, the more support Israeli politicians will receive,%u201D At%u0131lgan said in an interview with Today%u2019s Zaman."


%u201CThere has never been such a disproportionate war on earth as the Israeli offensive against the Palestinians. While one party is equipped with tanks, warplanes and satellite technology, the other party has almost nothing. Furthermore, the first party gets the support of many countries and silences the world media. A whole public, on the other hand, is forced to live in poverty in an area of a few kilometers. Palestine is witnessing the world%u2019s most cruel and disproportionate war,%u201D At%u0131lgan stated."
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by voidmaster-2009 January 8, 2009 7:26 PM EST
How many times have the Zulus visited the moon?

You are equating a people''s worth with material development.
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by briannorwood January 8, 2009 7:22 PM EST
"You are equating the failings of a religion with genetic pre-disposition. It does not work that way.
"--VoidMaster

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No, I did neither. I am simply asking a simple question. Can anyone name any accomplishment of even small significance of this brutally barbaric ethnic group in the entire history of the world?

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by voidmaster-2009 January 8, 2009 7:22 PM EST
I see evening prayers are over.
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by factsearcher January 8, 2009 7:20 PM EST
Egypt & Israel get most of US "foreign aid"-Israel paid massive "lobbied" cash & Egypt bribed for not springing another attack that would force the US navy to again "repaint" the star of david where the US flag was on its jets.

Posted by babooph

Egypt has other "sources" to get big money from if they really didnt want peace with Israel.....very poor assumption
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by mitdgreenb January 8, 2009 7:18 PM EST
Clathrate,

A secular (i.e., areligious) democracy is a wonderful goal. However, the experience in Lebanon over the past 30 years demonstrates that this is impossible. 30 years ago, Lebanon was a beautiful, educated, wealthy country and the only Christian-majority State in the region. Arafat and the PLO... once ejected from Jordan... took over the country. Most of the Christians left or were killed. Israel was actually condemned for marching to the gates of Beirut in a vain attempt to protect them. Can we expect any different end in a one-state solution in Israel? Sadly, no.

By the way, lest you think my example biased: let''s go back 500 years to Spain. Then, the secular leaders of the country (Ferdinand and Isabella) sponsored the Inquisition, which left the Muslim and Jewish minorities dead, forcibly converted, or (for the lucky) forcibly deported. It''s the same story, but with a Christian majority.

I''d like to believe in the goodness of human nature, but it takes only a few bad apples to sour the whole lot. :(
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by voidmaster-2009 January 8, 2009 7:16 PM EST
Because their religion anchors them to the stone age. All they have to offer is war and hate.

Posted by briannorwood
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You are equating the failings of a religion with genetic pre-disposition. It does not work that way.
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by babooph January 8, 2009 7:15 PM EST
Egypt & Israel get most of US "foreign aid"-Israel paid massive "lobbied" cash & Egypt bribed for not springing another attack that would force the US navy to again "repaint" the star of david where the US flag was on its jets.
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by briannorwood January 8, 2009 7:13 PM EST
clathrate:

So, you can only name some unnamed ficitional characters from the Old Testament as an example?

I repeat. No Palestinian has ever contributed in any way to the betterment of mankind. Not one accomplishment can be cited in either the arts or sciences that can be attributed to a Palestinian.

And why is this? Because their religion anchors them to the stone age. All they have to offer is war and hate.
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by factsearcher January 8, 2009 7:11 PM EST
several of you.

I believe a few things:
1) Hamas does not want peace. Not only is it antithetical to their written charter, but also it ensures that they will lose power. Arafat (and Fatah) kept up a state of war because it kept them in power. Hamas is now doing the same. Unfortunately, this means no peace until there is no Hamas.

2) Hamas was elected in a relatively fair election. (That tool Jimmy Carter was an observer I believe.) The Palestinians voted for what they got. If I voted for a Governor or Nebraska who ran on a platform of wiping out Kansas... and then Kansas bombed the he&& out of me, whose fault is that? Let''''s give the Palestinians a chance to vote again... knowing full well now what a vote for Hamas means. And then let them, and the rest of the world, live with what they decided for themselves.

3) I agree with the posting on settlements. Even the "legal" settlements are on land of debatable title, and all of them are an obstacle to peace. But do keep in mind that there are no settlements in Gaza any more.

4) We need to show a lot more gore on the Israeli side to balance the gore paraded by the Hamas propaganda machine. Decapitation of Daniel Pearl anyone? Baby injured by rocket fire? Let''''s not be fooled because one side likes to publish pictures and the other does not.


Posted by MITDGreenb

Very centrist post. I liket it.
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by trapbreaker January 8, 2009 7:08 PM EST

Hamas has given up the high ground and showed the world that it is a terrorist organization without concern for the people of Gaza.

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