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- Woulnt you both agree that since there has been no progress for years and neither Israel nor US, UN or anybody else has been able to succeed...
that is time for Egypt and Jordan to be the ones taking control of the situation?
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Posted by factsearcher
factsearcher - In all likelihood, Egypt and Jordon would be wasting their time. The only real hope appears to be military action by Israel. At some point, they should be able to break the backs of Hamas and the Palestinians. Another unlikely prospect is for the Palestinians to reject Hamas and other extremists. They have not done so to date. - Reply to this comment
- We are sick of these subhuman members of Hamas. We need to take action, and it must be soon. www.theseriouspolice.com
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- Woulnt you both agree that since there has been no progress for years and neither Israel nor US, UN or anybody else has been able to succeed...
that is time for Egypt and Jordan to be the ones taking control of the situation?
Posted by factsearcher
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I am not so sure that I do agree. It would largely depend on *what* Egypt and Jordan sought to do.
My first suspicion is that anytime Egypt and especially Jordan try to step in and "take control," we will see a REAL mid-east war and suddenly everybody will be involved. - Reply to this comment
- Again
, not one kike has come forward to refute anything I have said, other than to call names.
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Posted by yourself5
You haven''t provided anything worth refuting. Garbage in and garbage out. - Reply to this comment
- There is nothing narrow minded about briannorwood. He raises an excellent question and the answer is obvious. Just because someone dares to speak the truth does not make them narrow minded. Just because we might not like the answer does not make him narrow minded.
Posted by rhs648
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I also do not think he is narrow-minded. But I do think he is overlooking the obvious, which I pointed out clearly earlier.
The reason for the Palestinians'''' marginal material state is three fold and begins with poverty.
1) They are poor and poverty will hold down any culture.
2) Their poverty is held in place largely by restrictions Israel places on them.
3) Israel cannot and must not remove those restrictions as long Hamas (or anything like it) continues to exist.
Were the Palestinians to pull their collective head out and do away with the extremism, then Israel could back off and try to give them some room to work with. Then and only then can briannorwood''''s theory be tested. And under such circumstances, I believe we would see the Palestinians begin to build a viable economy.
Posted by VoidMaster
Woulnt you both agree that since there has been no progress for years and neither Israel nor US, UN or anybody else has been able to succeed...
that is time for Egypt and Jordan to be the ones taking control of the situation? - Reply to this comment
- Voidmaster:
You are jumping to conclusions, here. No one is saying wipe them off the face of the earth. At least not me.
My point is this. A history of accomplishmenet is what gives an ethnic group a sense of pride and unity. Sadly, the Palestinians do not have this. They remain an uneducated, uncivilized society.
I think this lack of accommplishment is what drives their barbarism. A sort of ethnic psychosis manifest by a xenophobic response of constant warfare.
That''''s the sad fact of it.
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Posted by briannorwood at 04:36 PM : Jan 08, 2009
I made this statement in another post, but I''ll repeat it. You are simply shortsighted when you think it is appropriate to consider everyone within one group as all being the same!
"Palestinians have the highest rate of PhD holders per capita in the Arab world"! That''s apretty good accomplishment, don''t you think? - Reply to this comment
- There is nothing narrow minded about briannorwood. He raises an excellent question and the answer is obvious. Just because someone dares to speak the truth does not make them narrow minded. Just because we might not like the answer does not make him narrow minded.
Posted by rhs648
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I also do not think he is narrow-minded. But I do think he is overlooking the obvious, which I pointed out clearly earlier.
The reason for the Palestinians'' marginal material state is three fold and begins with poverty.
1) They are poor and poverty will hold down any culture.
2) Their poverty is held in place largely by restrictions Israel places on them.
3) Israel cannot and must not remove those restrictions as long Hamas (or anything like it) continues to exist.
Were the Palestinians to pull their collective head out and do away with the extremism, then Israel could back off and try to give them some room to work with. Then and only then can briannorwood''s theory be tested. And under such circumstances, I believe we would see the Palestinians begin to build a viable economy. - Reply to this comment
- The "Rules of Engagement" that everyone who posts in the public forum require you to use no ethnic slurs and/or epithets, no religious bigotry, no threats of any kind, no bathroom humor, no comparing anyone to Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot.
I have posted a complaint for two posters on this site today. They have used ethnic and religious slurs
that would get them a death sentence if they were used in their own country in the middle east. YUO come to this country on some sort of green card or visa to study and then take advantage of our freedom to insult people of the Jewish religion. You know who you are. - Reply to this comment
- The problem is only the extremists, not all Palestinians. There are no problems and haven''''t been any problems for a long while in the West Bank. If Abbas and the PLO and Fatah were in total control, and the radicals vanquished from exisitence, there could be a Palestinian state right away.
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Posted by roscoe2400
Until the Palestinians reject the extremists, they are the problem. This is best exemplified by voting for Hamas. - Reply to this comment
- If Mr. Obama is smart, and he does seem to be, he will address himself to domestic issues first. With any luck, the fighting in Gaza will be over by the time he can turn to that can of worms.
I do not believe that the U. S. nor an Arab country can solve what is going on in Gaza. - Reply to this comment
- Can anyone name one single accomplishment of the Palestinian people throughout the history of the world? Can you name one great philosopher? Mathematician? Scientist? Writer? Engineer? Artist?
The answer is no. These people are and always have been the armpit of the human race. They are uneducated, uncivilized barbarians. Good for nothing but war. And even that, they can only perform like 6th century peasants.
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Posted by briannorwood at 03:24 PM : Jan 08, 2009
You should open your narrow mind a little. Not everyone within any soci-economic gorup are the same.
But since you ask for an example "one single accomplishment of the Palestinian people try this one. it''''s pretty impressive--- "Palestinians have the highest rate of PhD holders per capita in the Arab world"!
Pretty good accomplishment, don''''t you think!
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Posted by roscoe2400
There is nothing narrow minded about briannorwood. He raises an excellent question and the answer is obvious. Just because someone dares to speak the truth does not make them narrow minded. Just because we might not like the answer does not make him narrow minded. - Reply to this comment
- Hopefuilly, our new president will not waste valuable time and energy trying to solve the Palestinian problem. Every American president before Obama has tried and failed. Nor has any other country been successful. It is time to let the Israelies solve the Palestinian problem. It appears to be a problem that can only be solved by military action. It should be obvious to most observers that the Palestinians are not sincere about reaching a peace settlement.
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Posted by rhs648 at 04:51 PM : Jan 08, 2009
The problem is only the extremists, not all Palestinians. There are no problems and haven''t been any problems for a long while in the West Bank. If Abbas and the PLO and Fatah were in total control, and the radicals vanquished from exisitence, there could be a Palestinian state right away. - Reply to this comment
- Muslims, Jews, anyone....
Name 1 reason HAMAS would want peace ?
a. They lose Iranian money.
b. They would see UN aid cut.
c. What would they do all day ?
I am looking for HAMAS answers only, not regular Palestinians.
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Posted by Moderator672
Moderator672 - In other words Hamas and the Palestinians would lose their welfare checks provided by Arab countries and Muslim donors around the world. That would be a powerful incentive to keep conflict going. Follow the money trail. The conflict must be worth billions of dollars a year to the Palestinians. Looked at in this context, it is understandable by peace is elusive. - Reply to this comment
- Hamas lost the high ground with their rejection of the Egyptian cease fire and the refusal to allow international observers in Gaza. They are cold meat.
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- Voidmaster:
One more point. Just suppose Israel ceased to exist and was replaced by a Palestinian state.
How long do you think they would last before the Syrians or Egyptians conquered them?
Posted by briannorwood
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Now that''s a stretch. But ok...
For one thing, the Palestinians would most likely never get the chance to start their own state before someone else stepped in to "help" them. And regardless what they called it (Palestine, New Mecca, etc.), it would never become an autonomous Palestinian state. It would just become another set of problems.
The reasons would not be the any lack of worth on the part of the Palestinians themselves. Rather, it would be the result of cultural idiosyncrasies.
I am probably not explaining what I mean very clearly here, but this is about as good as I can get it. - Reply to this comment
- Can anyone name one single accomplishment of the Palestinian people throughout the history of the world? Can you name one great philosopher? Mathematician? Scientist? Writer? Engineer? Artist?
The answer is no. These people are and always have been the armpit of the human race. They are uneducated, uncivilized barbarians. Good for nothing but war. And even that, they can only perform like 6th century peasants.
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Posted by briannorwood at 03:24 PM : Jan 08, 2009
You should open your narrow mind a little. Not everyone within any soci-economic gorup are the same.
But since you ask for an example "one single accomplishment of the Palestinian people try this one. it''s pretty impressive--- "Palestinians have the highest rate of PhD holders per capita in the Arab world"!
Pretty good accomplishment, don''t you think! - Reply to this comment
- Hopefuilly, our new president will not waste valuable time and energy trying to solve the Palestinian problem. Every American president before Obama has tried and failed. Nor has any other country been successful. It is time to let the Israelies solve the Palestinian problem. It appears to be a problem that can only be solved by military action. It should be obvious to most observers that the Palestinians are not sincere about reaching a peace settlement.
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- quick.. get the bug spray..
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Posted by ewe_fools
LOL
You really made me laugh!!! - Reply to this comment
- THere''s a mosquito in the postings!!!
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- I''''m telling you it is a different kuran...
maybe Bin Laden wrote a new one!
Posted by factsearcher
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Most Muslims, especially in the middle east are illiterate. They must rely on someone else to tell them what the Quran says, what that means and what Allah expects of them. This is what makes them so vulnerable to the likes of bin Laden. - Reply to this comment
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