Comments on: Wheels Of Diplomacy Turn Toward Gaza

International Community Steps Up Efforts To Convince Israel, Hamas To Halt Violence

[rusure5]

Re: "All of you Obama-supporting Israel haters, don''''t forget who becomes President in 15 days, and what he said just 6 months ago(look it up yourself):"

%u201CIf somebody was sending rockets into my house, where my two daughters sleep at night, I%u2019m going to do everything in my power to stop that,%u201D
---Barack Obama, speaking about Hamas on a visit to Israel, July 24, 2008"


Yet another Zionist apologist steps forward to offer the complicity of a Zionist stooge as an excuse for the mass-murderous and barbaric behavior of the Israeli Zionists.

What a pathetic bunch.

[alanw1077]

Israel is forced to fight with one hand tied behind its back -- tied by the so-called "international community" that puts pressure upon it, and even convinces the weak-minded in the USA government to join in, when the Israeli goal is actually quite simple and straightforward.
That goal is to stop the sending of thousands of rockets indiscriminately (or discriminately, for that matter) into Israel, into such major population centers as Ashkelon, and Ashdod, requiring nearly a million Israelis to have to worry all the time about the 15 seconds they have to find shelter against incoming rockets. It is purely a military matter: is Hamas going to be allowed to continue a gigantic, a truly monstrous arms buildup, with every kind of missile that the Iranians or others can supply them with, or is it not?

[alanw1077]

There is something inherently ga*y about a person who calls strangers "sweet pea", and I refuse to debate someone who would be both so bizarre and freakish.

[alanw1077]

Just keep this in mind: if there were no rockets shot into Israel, no arms buildup of military equipment, smuggled under several hundred tunnels that have been carefully constructed , then there would be nothing, absolutely nothing, not a gun, not a tank, not an airplane, not a paper airplane, from Israel going into Gaza.
It is a simple choice. It is the most understandable and basic request: stop sending rockets, stop spending all of your energies making war or preparing for war. Leave us alone. That''s all. Just leave us alone. That is what any country -- even besieged and thrown-to-the-Muslim-wolves Israel -- has a right, and a duty, to demand.

[rusure5]

Re: "Who among the Hamas leadership is making this journey to plead personally plead their case in front of the UN?? NO ONE!!!!------They don''''t care!!!!"

"Explain to all of us here how caring the Hamas leadership is!!"

Posted by roscoe2400

The Hamas government is currently busy defending its civilian population against the current mass-murderous efforts of the Zionist Israelis.

Citing complicity of the leaders of various Zionist stooge Arab leaders is hardly a credible method of assessing the intentions of Hamas.

I have heard several Hamas leaders denounce the latest war crimes and atrocities of the Israelis against the civilian population of Palestine.

If you haven''t, then it is because you are not listening. This is not surprising, since you appear to be sympathetic to the sub-humans that comprise the Zionist Israeli leadership.

[alanw1077]

In the media there exists this bizarre notion of %u201Cproportionality%u201D. We%u2019ve all seen this before: over a period of months or even years, thousands of small to medium rockets, all capable of killing a handful of people and doing medium damage, are fired into Israeli civilian areas. When Israel strikes back, they use F16 jets with thousand-pound bombs, and they use their massive tanks. Then, people start screaming that the Israeli response is not %u201Cproportionate%u201D. All I can say to this is: nonsense. This concept implies that the victim is constrained to using the same weapons as the attacker. It betrays a total lack of knowledge of the way warfare is, and always has been, conducted. The object of warfare is not to simply trade pinpricks, back and forth, infinitum. The object is to defeat your enemy and win. After Pearl Harbor, what should have been the US objective? Should we have simply replicated Japan%u2019s attack, and taken ships to Tokyo, killed 3000 people, wrecked 20 ships, and declared %u201COK, we%u2019re finished%u201D ? Or was it to defeat the enemy, totally and completely, so that they could not attack us again?

[alanw1077]

One might think Hamas is not too bright. They have known all along all they had to do was simply stop firing the rockets into Israel, and all this conflict and war would have been avoided.
But, Hamas doesn''t really care what happens to the civilians in Gaza. They just don''t care. What Hamas really wants is to be noticed. They want to be in the news, and they want to gain sympathy from the int''l community and the liberal media. Long ago they realized they only way to do this was to provoke Israel into fighting back. And then, when enough civilians died in Israeli attacks, the world would sigh and say "Poor Palestinians" and "Mean and cruel Israel." So you see, Hamas is now getting exactly what they wanted: an Israeli invasion. Israel had no good choices here. They could have (1) done nothing, and continued to be attacked indefinitely, with hundreds of thousands of Israelis living in under-siege conditions or (2) fight back against Hamas, and then be painted as the aggressor. Hamas had to know that Israel would choose the latter. The whole thing is sick.

[alanw1077]

"Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom. "
---John F. Kennedy

[alanw1077]

All of you Obama-supporting Israel haters, don''t forget who becomes President in 15 days, and what he said just 6 months ago(look it up yourself):

%u201CIf somebody was sending rockets into my house, where my two daughters sleep at night, I%u2019m going to do everything in my power to stop that,%u201D
---Barack Obama, speaking about Hamas on a visit to Israel, July 24, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxYwxpzbU8w

An actual VIDEO of Obama supporting Israel in their conflict against Hamas.

[alanw1077]

Hamas is possessed by the type of insane stubbornness that will always get you killed. Israel%u2019s message has been crystal clear: Just stop. Stop the rockets. Just stop it. Now. Stop it and we will not attack you. Stop it and we will not invade. But the stubbornness goes on and on. Hamas keeps firing rockets, and they keep getting bombed in returned. They''re like the little violent-yet-retarded maso*chist kid, back in high school that we all knew; you keep holding their arm behind their back, and you''re saying "say Uncle". And all they do is scream "No" and laugh. Sometimes I think Israel could nuke the whole Gaza, and after the mushroom cloud cleared, you''d still spot one lone Hamas maniac, on the edge of the nuked area, lighting off another rocket. Israel needs to learn: Hamas is not unlike like rats, mice, and roaches. If they leave even one behind, they will live to reproduce, and Israel will have to fight this war again some day.

[roscoe2400-2009]

I think that you and a handful of demented Zionists are about the only ones that would be dumb enough to think that Hamas doesn''t care about the current effort by the Israelis to murder the civilians of Palestine.




Posted by rusure5 at 06:27 PM : Jan 05, 2009





Nine Arab foreign ministers are flying to New York, along with the Arab League secretary-general, "to show harmony among Arabs" and support for a speedy end to the Israeli offensive.

Who among the Hamas leadership is making this journey to plead personally plead their case in front of the UN?? NO ONE!!!!------They don''t care!!!!

Explain to all of us here how caring the Hamas leadership is!!

[rusure5]

Israeli Zionists always try to blame their victims for their own acts of mass-murder and war crimes, as they typically target and kill civilians.

This is hardly a surprise.

Shooting from where you live in self-defense against a murderous aggressor is a legitimate tactic.

What is clear is that no other group has been proven to intentionally hide behind Human Shields, as the Israelis have conclusively proven to do as a matter of policy.

This is just another example of the widespread and chronic criminality of the Israeli Zionists.

[roscoe2400-2009]

Hamas is not hiding among civilians. They live there. When the Israelis bomb a house and kill a bunch of civilians, it is a silly claim to try to blame the deaths on Hamas. This is just a flimsy excuse that they use to try to justify their atrocities and crimes.


Posted by rusure5 at 06:09 PM : Jan 05, 2009


You are ecaxtly correct----"Hamas is not hiding among civilians. They live there."

They don''t wake up in the morning and go out to the battlefield and attack the Israelis with rockets. They simmply fire the rockets from their yards and rooftops. Then they run to the basement or the local scholl or Mosque to get more rockets. Then they scream and cry when they get slammed! I''m sorry, but they have made a conscious decision to act they way that they do. they are nothing more than a gang of murderous thugs.

Furthermore, even the President of the PLO and Fatah disagree with position that Hamas is the elected govenrment of Gaza. No one in the Arab world agrees with your position either. They have repeatedly condemmed Hamas for their violent take over of Gaza, reffering to it as a coup!

Nine Arab foreign ministers are flying to New York, along with the Arab League secretary-general, "to show harmony among Arabs" and support for a speedy end to the Israeli offensive. Who form the Hamas leadership is making this journey----- NO ONE! They don''t care about peace! It is not in their interest!


but that''s OK---- it''s all Israels'' fault!!!! Give me a break!

[cbscrash072]

There are no Zionist because there are still Palestinians. Seriously who would stand up to Israel if they decided one day to kill every last Palestinain? Europe? With what? The Arabs? Like they care. I know they say they do. US? We might say no don''t do that. We might even slap sanctions on them. But would we send in American troops to stop them? No. Think Darfur. Any US troops there? No. So Basicly there is nothing stopping the "Zionist" from wiping out all Palestinians. Therefore they don''t exist. At least not the evil kill everything kind. Because if they did they would be raping and murdering like the Islamic terrorist except they wouldn''t be considered heroes by the stupid people of the world.

[rusure5]

Re: "That''s fine--- but that means anything and everything in all of Gaza dies!"

Posted by roscoe2400

Note that the Zionists have no remorse for murdering civilians.

If the Zionists behaved this way in WWII era Germany, it is little wonder that the Nazis sought to eliminate them.

The Zionists always seem to try to hide behind people of the Jewish religion. For this reason, it is easy to see why people might mistake the depraved, sub-human behavior of the Zionist as being representative of the people of the Jewish religion.

Fortunately, many/most Jews do not support the morally bankrupt Zionist movement.

[cbscrash072]

three-o-six: The problem with your plan or the brillance of it is that Gaza is to small to carve a kill zone out of it. You would have to put the Palestinians on rafts in the med. If you cared enough to give them rafts. remember most Palestinians are victims of Hamas too. Some people like to point out that only three Israelis have been killed. Thats the difference between a government that cares about its citizens and will spare no expense to protect them and one that uses them as game pieces. Think those five hundred Palestinians would still be alive if Hamas had decided not to launch rockets at Israel. Perhaps Hamas should start caring about what Palestinians want and not Iran.

[rusure5]

Re: "If I was in Isreal position I would clear a zone equal to the range of their rockets plus one mile."

Posted by three-o-six

You should put yourself in the Israeli position if you are so sympathetic to this squatter/apartheid/anti-Semitic/welfare-State of civilian killers and terrorists.

Targeting everything that moves, especially women and children, is S.O.P. for the depraved Israeli Zionists.

You would fit right in if you had the wherewithal to back your twisted words with action.

[roscoe2400-2009]

If I was in Isreal position I would clear a zone equal to the range of their rockets plus one mile. Anything move in that zone and it dies instantly. Gaza gets longer range rockets. Move the zone back!


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Posted by three-o-six at 06:50 PM : Jan 05, 2009


That''s fine--- but that means anything and everything in all of Gaza dies!

[rusure5]

Re: "Killing civilians IS part of war!!"

Posted by three-o-six

Actually, intentionally killing civilians as the Israelis typically do, is a war crime.

If you think that killing civilians is OK, then you should tell your Zionist Israeli masters to stop whining every time they lose a civilian here and there.

[three-o-six]

If I was in Isreal position I would clear a zone equal to the range of their rockets plus one mile. Anything move in that zone and it dies instantly. Gaza gets longer range rockets. Move the zone back!