Comments on: Catholics To Pope: Lift Birth Control Ban

Dissident Catholic Groups Publish Letter Citing "Catastrophic Effects" Of Church's Ban

[cmoreau2]

A truely compasionate view is exactly what is expressed in Humanae Vitae. Recall the predictions made in that document by Pope Paul VI regarding dangers of contraceptive use: Lost Respect for Women
"Paul VI also argued that "the man" will lose respect for "the woman" and "no longer (care) for her physical and psychological equilibrium" and will come to "the point of considering her as a mere instrument of selfish enjoyment and no longer as his respected and beloved companion." This concern reflects what has come to be known as a "personalist" understanding of morality. The personalist understanding of wrongdoing is based upon respect for the dignity of the human person. The Pope realized that the Church''''s teaching on contraception is designed to protect the good of conjugal love. When spouses violate this good, they do not act in accord with their innate dignity and thus they endanger their own happiness. Treating their bodies as mechanical instruments to be manipulated for their own purposes, they risk treating each other as objects of pleasure."
This has certainly come true. Humanae Vitae is compasionate to men and women because it will not leave them in the gutter but bring them to goodness.

[cmoreau2]

Your statements are patently false. While it is true faith is dynamic, she was in no way shape or form aethiest, reading her letters would be informative for you. You speak from ignorance. Choose knowledge.

[cmoreau2]

Mother Theresa.. The Church.. consistently recognize Jesus in the poorest of the poor throughout the world and show him love.

[soldat44]

Dissident catholics make up less than 0.5% of the Catholic Church and are not in communion with Rome.

This is not news. CBS likes to make it sound like the majority of Catholics want a different interpretation of the teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ...for convenience of course.

Peace be with you.

[cbsfan73]

tuckerndfw said:
"Your comparison is illogical. Intellect has nothing to do with being forced v. freely giving."

Are you insinuating that Catholics are worse than politicians? (Rubbish) So intellectuals make the best slaves?

[cmoreau2]

hungry1968,
Extreme false stereotypes and hate seems to be what you have to offer, but no substance. I expect that you will stay on message too. What is you reaction to Mother Theresa and the good sisters and priest who live lives of poverty and service?

[hungry1968]

Interesting how churches preach against worshipping "mammon" (money) while at the same time demanding participants give them money.

If I recall bible mythologically correctly, Jesus never demanded money from anyone, nor did he charge his followers "tithes" before administering his services.

Amazing how churches wail and caterwaul about sexual activities while totally ignoring their own hypocrisies (aka "sins"). . .

Posted by tuckerndfw at 11:09 PM : Jul 25, 2008





If Jesus were here today, walking down the street, the alleged "christians" would call him a "homeless, hippie, unemployed, scummbag liberal" and try and drive their SUV through a nearby mud puddle to splash it on him, and drive away laughing at the thought of him standing there, soaked in mud and water.


THOSE are today''s "typical christians".

[cmoreau2]

Go to impoverished of Africa, go to Calcuta, go to South America, go to any city in the US. Who is there helping the poorest of the poor, who is living out there faith by giving their treasure to support this compansion, this truth. The Catholic Church, through action of it''s religious and the generosity given freely from the lay people. You cannot divide the lay people and the religious. We are Church together. I don''t mind sharing, and Jesus does instruct the apostle to ask for food and shelter. They do rely on the generosity of others. Just like Mother Theresa did in Calcuta.

[mcv57]

I believe the Pope is now competing with a stain image of child molestation and TV ratings. *** and violence, *** and violence is an industry that has yet to yield to any type of morality. TV and movies are about the worship of money which has yet to meet any resistance, especially in this political environment of corruption.

[cbsfan73]

cmoreau2 asked for my advise:
"Rather, who in more courageous? You provoke those who act, who create. What alternative do you offer to the love of the Catholic Church? Insult and derision. Offer better. Offer more."

Teach people not WHAT to think but rather HOW to think.

[hungry1968]

Rather, who in more courageous? You provoke those who act, who create. What alternative do you offer to the love of the Catholic Church? Insult and derision. Offer better. Offer more.

Posted by cmoreau2 at 10:47 PM : Jul 25, 2008





Everyone that goes to "god''s house", should not EVER be asked to give a dime.

And those that go to "his house", SHOULD NEVER offer a dime to give.

THAT would be courageous. (Not really, since if god REALLY did exist, he would take care of those that spread his word - but the thought is there.)

I wonder how many weeks of NO ONE giving, would it take before the priest begged the congregation to support him?

[cmoreau2]

cbsfan73,
Rather, who in more courageous? You provoke those who act, who create. What alternative do you offer to the love of the Catholic Church? Insult and derision. Offer better. Offer more.

[cbsfan73]

tuckerndfw confessed:
"I know few people who would donate their money to the IRS without the threat of imprisonment for failing to do so."

Is it better to freely give or to be demanded to give?

So who is really the bigger moron, a Catholic that has a choice to give or not, or a citizen that has no choice?

[cmoreau2]

Tukerndfw,
Belief does not a moron maketh. There are way too many examples of genius and faithfull people. Hope, Faith, Compansion these are qualities of the Church, the Body of Christ, the people of Christ at their best. Go to impoverished of Africa, go to Calcuta, go to South America, go to any city in the US. Who is there helping the poorest of the poor, who is living out there faith by giving their treasure to support this compansion, this truth. God gives us so many oportunities to share and take part in his Charity (his complete love). This is bigger than our temporaty life. This is true, this is the satisfaction of the inner yearning for truth that we are created with. We belong to the church by choice of free will because we believe, the Catholic church more than any other offers explanation and support for it teachings. This is intellectual, adult and faithfilled.

[hungry1968]

Posted by drmaqazi at 09:24 PM : Jul 25, 2008





You ignorant idiot!!

When they refer to "the beast", they''re talking about animals - not hom`ose`xuals!!

[xraytwonine]

you can''t restrict sugar

[cmoreau2]

cbsfan73,
A Priest knows better than anyone the challenge presented by following Humanae Vitae. Rather than periodic abstenance for the sake of love, a priest accepts a lifetime of abstenance for love and service to the people of the church. Priests know marriage. They grew up in a family, they eat dinner with families, they help and council many married people and in that respect see more breadth of the challenges that married couples face in general than any one married couple faces itself. They help burry spouces, and help families grieve. A Holy 80 year old celebate has A LOT to offer.

[cbsfan73]

tuckerndfw wrote:
"And what kind of moron freely gives his money to a dictator led nation that provides nothing beneficial in return? Vatican City is a soveriegn nation, same as the USA, and the pope is its unelected (by the people) dictator."

Uhhh, this would be the American taxpayer...

[cmoreau2]

The role of the Church is to carry on the mission of Christ, to follow the will of God and lead souls to heaven. If you read Humanae Vitae you will find a well reasoned theolgical statement guided by the Holy Spirit. Those of us who have taken the trouble to actually follow the churchs teaching can attest to it''s truth and to it''s benefits. The Church is concerned with promoting the gospel and preaching truth. The truth can be hard to follow, but this did not stop Jesus from preaching it (see Jn chapter 6 verse 66) His teaching that the bread and wine were truely his body and blood was too hard for many to take and they left him, but he did not change his teaching; the truth, to placate them.

[cbsfan73]

mensarino wrote:
"And why do these people care what an 80 year old celibate has to say on a subject he purpotedly has no first hand experience with?"

Do altar boys count towards celibacy?