Comments on: Moscow Jails U.S. Pastor For Hunting Ammo

S.C. Man Sentenced To 3 Years In Prison For Taking Box Of Hunting Bullets Into Russia

[roach9703]

This shows an appalling lack of judgment on the part of the pastor. This was arms smuggling! In parts of Africa the reverend could have fared far worse. How about if he went to Saudi Arabia with these bullets- any hands left?
I do hope that Putin, as prime minister will intervene.
This not good for internal relations.

[usbrit-2009]

Read the statement taddles

1) I was referring to your "number of gun owners outnumbers the number of ANY and ALL groups in this country," statement as being BS not the number of abberations (or aerations as you call them). You admit the number is 35% - this is not a majority.

2) I never said all gun owners are criminals.

3) I might not have said this plainly enough for you. Any country would do the same thing to someone trying to enter with undeclared ammunition as this guy did.

Remember the dumb student who tried to get into the US with a stick of dynamite and some blasting caps after he''d had a geology course in Argentina a few months ago? They sure arrested his a$$ PDQ.

[usmcvn2]

Pastor Stupid is in jail. Why? BECAUSE PASTOR STUPID IS STUPID!! ROFLMFAO!!

Praise Jaysus!!! Can I git an RRMEN!!

[tomanyt]

Spectrum108...What are you talking about?

[tomanyt]

Is there any country that allows you to bring in ammunition? Why would this "pastor" think it was OK to bring it into Russia??? He better pray he doesn''t drop the soap in prison.

[taddles-2009]

"Let''''s get some things straight-the pastor was arrested for proselytizing,you know when you go make converts in another country.

Posted by mediapreachr at 02:02 PM : Apr 21, 2008"


And it says that where in the article?

[taddles-2009]

"taddles -- "legal gun owners are the LEAST likely to commit any kind of crime", what is a "legal gun owner"?

Posted by Oscarez at 01:57 PM : Apr 21, 2008"


Every gun owner who has purchased a weapon through a dealer and has the proper permits for his/her state. As Opposed to illegal gun owners who purchase stolen guns through the black market.

This is not a 2nd amendment or gun control argument, this is simply a case of poorly documented Russian laws being capriciously enforced. This is unfortunate but not unexpected from a country like Russia.

[taddles-2009]

"That is BS. Even your beloved NRA reckons 80 million gun owners in the country. A horrible, insane number sure, but nowhere near a majority.

Posted by USBrit at 01:08 PM : Apr 21, 2008"


35% of US households own a total of 192 million (2004 gun survey). To imply that the handful of aerations are somehow a significant portion of these gun owners, as was implied, is patently stupid.

Your opinion of US law and our rights to own a bear arms is as irrelevant. the claim that was made is that gun owners are for all intents and purposes criminals which is false.

Your assumption that bringing ammunition into foreign countries is universally illegal is absurd. For starters your claim that Canada would arrest someone for transporting ammunition is simply false, read the Canadian gun laws.

http://www.panda.com/canadaguns/#official


I''m quite sure that Miles had no intention of trafficking in ammunition since he was only bringing in a single package of 20 shells. There was no information in the literature provided at the airport that stated or implied that ammunition could NOT be brought into Russia. this is not a case of international arms trafficking, it''s a case of an overzealous judge trying to score some points.

[mediapreachr]

Let''s get some things straight-the pastor was arrested for proselytizing,you know when you go make converts in another country.
The russians are predominantly eastern orthodox,church is regaining power there and doesn''t tolerate this practice.

[oscarez]

taddles -- "legal gun owners are the LEAST likely to commit any kind of crime", what is a "legal gun owner"?

[usbrit-2009]

Americans should learn before they leave the country that they are a minority of one in the world when it comes to their love of the almighty gun. This guy would be in jail in the UK, South Africa, Colombia, Germany, Italy, France, India, Thailand (ranger??), Mali, Malaya, Sweden, Canada, China or Brazil.

[usbrit-2009]

Why is it that the only references to lack of guns on the part of German Jews being the cause for the Holocaust comes from American gun-nuts. No reputable history even suggests this. What the he11 could one guy with a gun do against a squad of SS stormtroopers.

[walt1944-2009]

One thing is puzzeling about the entire case.

Why would a man of God, someone who is supposed to respect life in any way shape or form, bring rifle ammunition into Russia in the first place? He says he did it because a friend asked him to, but what did this friend intend to do with it; target prectice?

SIG HEIL, BUSH!!!
sig heil, (more of the same) John "McBush" NcCain!!!

[republic1776]

The Russians have not changed.
Their history of strong arming and thier treatment of fellow humans continue.
It''s almost like they get some sort of pleasure making other''s suffer!

[navyjimfl]

"All of these anti-gun nuts on here might want to remember one thing: it could be them someday, serving 3 years, because they didn''''t properly declare that antique that bought at a bazaar, etc.

This man did nothing criminal whatsoever. All of you blaming this guy are cheering the perverse detention of a law-abiding man, and are doing so because of your ideology. If you want to deride the right wing for their dedication to ideology, then don''''t be guilty of your own smug hypocritical stances.

This is a travesty of justice, and for any fellow american to cheer the arbitrary jailing of a fellow, law-abiding countryman is disgraceful" Posted by diatreme at 12:50 PM : Apr 21, 2008

but he is not law abiding, he broke the law.

[navyjimfl]

Many Russians including politicians are not happy to see American clergy coming to their country and "pushing" their brand of religion......could that have someting to do with his being behind bars.....?

[excoachken]

Stupid is as stupid does. When you visit another country, learn ths laws and customs first. Reverend Redneck will have along time to get familiar with Russian laws as a result of his ASSumptions.

[misands]

By the way, those America has a lot higher proportion of its population in prison than they have. __
Posted by misands at 12:04 PM : Apr 21, 2008
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I was trying to say that those who complain about Russia not ''being free'', should remember that America has a higher precentage of it''s own people locked away in prison than Russia does.

[navyjimfl]

Idiot hunter got his due.....

[mboyd2014]

I have known the Miles family for 28 years. Mr. Miles'' daughter was my best friend growing up. I babysat for their youngest. I grew up in their household almost as much as I grew up in my own. I''ve been to their church, and I''ve seen the positive effect Mr. Miles has had on many people.

I understand the idea of knowing the laws of the land to which you travel, but there seems to be more going on here. From my understanding, the US airline that he flew out of the country with allowed him to keep the ammunition even after he declared it. I personally would have thought that the airline would have made some sort of declaration to the Russian authorities since they approved the initial shipping of the ammunition in his luggage. Regardless, 3 years for 20 bullets seems excessive for someone has been into the country so many times on missionary work. To anyone that actually knows him, it''s more than excessive, it''s unbelievable, even ludicrous.

For those claiming it was plain arrogance, I don''t think that was the case at all. I''ve never known Mr. Miles to be anything less than an honest gentleman, a rare individual that loved his family, cared for his neighbors, and did his best to help his community. I believe this was a dreadful mistake, an unfortunate accident, with no ill intention involved. I think he''s suffering more the effects of statement being made than the supposed crime committed.