Comments on: U.S. Deserters Lose Bid For Canada Asylum

Canada Rejects Appeal By 2 U.S. Soldiers Who Fled To Canada In Protest Against Iraq War

[hwy71so]

Deserters diserve what they get. We have an ALL VOLUNTEER FORCE. If they were AFRAID of going to war they shouldn''t have joined in the first place.

They are NOT the ones who decide which war to participate in. That option belongs to Congress and the President. They SWORE AN OATH, binding, to serve as they were ordered.

If they were objectors, they had ample opportunity to remove themselves from service anyway.

Throw the book at them!

[radiob-2009]

This war on account of having a all volunteer military creates conudrums for soldiers who oppose the war based upon its flawed policy. To desert, requires courage, to desert and vocally articulate ones reasons is a act of courage. Those who are deserting based upon conscientious objector status are not courageous as they had the opportunity to object by not volunteering. A person who in good faith does believe in the taking of lives for any reason has no place in the military and should not enlist. How many of us Vietnam vets actually supported the policy of the war? In reality we supported two things, one our brothers, two getting our butts home in one piece.

[glaswolf]

Part of the problem is many support positions which the military ought to do are being done by mercenaries and contractor parasites bleeding our war systems dry. Only 1 out of 9 soldiers should be facing barrels from the wrong end, Bush''s buddies gravely errored by allowing civilians to do jobs where those unsuited for direct faceoffs could be placed while in warzones. Too many civilians play semantic games to conceal the evilness constituting their core. The folks who betrayed the CIA operative should be hung straight up, low to the ground so the puppies can eat. These fleeing boys are no more treasonness than foreign service personnel sucking up big bucks from big cups until their cups in reflection fill with their own blood. During Vietnam people streamed out of country by the tens thousands, after Carter the Submarine Man forgave them, thousands streamed back. Not everyone is so willing to allow others the opportunity to kill them in war, ask the euro mediterraneans around you how many of their predecessors migrating here fled conflict to leave their relatives with one less fighter or one less worker? Their numbers disgustingly are in the tens of millions.

[dmhphils]

Perhaps they should have given their conscience more consideration prior to making the decision to enlist.

Posted by radiob at 09:59 AM : Nov 16, 2007
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This is a valid point!

[radiob-2009]

However, Congress has, at times, passed statutes creating related offenses which undermine the government or the national security, (such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sabotage in the 1917 Espionage Act) which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by speakinup

As far as I am concerned, if he made five dollars off of the lives of our soldiers, he should burn for it.

[brianbwb-2009]

Islam in bed with Adolf Hitler, only the most notorious of criminals that committed the most heinous of acts to the known world, is not soon forgotten.
Posted by noseonurface

So you use an excuse that Bush himself didn''t even use. Bush flat out lied. Your idea is nowhere near what was posited as to why we invaded Iraq. Iraq is not Palestine.

Black and white.

[speakinup]

"While Bush and his cronies sip cappucino, and laugh about how much money they are raking in. Posted by brianbwb

I hear this all the time brianbwb. Now, I have no doubt Bush is making money, but I''d be willing to entertain a serious discussion on how much.

I''m of the opinion this is yet another fabrication of the far left. Do you have some facts that will prove me wrong ? Maybe a credible web site that shows where his direct actions as President has enriched his personal holdings ?

I just want to make sure we''re talking facts here.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by radiob

I''ll go you even one more, it is not even for Iraq, Bush doesn''t care about Iraq, he just wants control of the oil, and the kickbacks from the profiteers.
I agree they volunteered, but most do so thinking to make a living while serving the country. No one expects to become a government paid mercenary for private corporations. If they wanted that, Blackwater pays much better.

[speakinup]

"Desertion is an act of treason, and so is revealing CIA operatives names. Treason is treason, and you still condemn one, but support the other. Posted by brianbwb

Uh - wrong. Neither desertion or ''revealing (former) CIA operatives names'' (if you are talking about Valorie Plame''s case) is an act of treason.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

So unless you want to just throw opinions around - let''s get it right ok.

[dmhphils]

Posted by brianbwb at 09:48 AM : Nov 16, 2007
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brainbwb...you missed the black and white part......the part where the Grand Mufti-leader of the Palestinians- is making covenant with Adolf Hitler, providing muslim soldiers to join the German SS, in exchange for Palestinian independence and the slaughter of all their Jews.

Islam in bed with Adolf Hitler, only the most notorious of criminals that committed the most heinous of acts to the known world, is not soon forgotten.

[glaswolf]

mbcsmith, the hatred being spewed is from your keyboard, brianbwb seems to be well reasoned and balanced. I am not reading hatefulness in his words, but I am seeing them in yours. Communists often accuse others of their own crimes, here you accuse a black man of a doing what a white man often does and you''re doing now... I used to argue with neocon trotskyites 40 years ago, are you related?

[radiob-2009]

the soldiers in Iraq are not putting their lives on the line for their country,
Posted by brianbwb at 09:34 AM : Nov 16, 2007


The soldiers in Iraq are putting their lives on the line for Iraq not America. This war from the beginning has been a gigantic hoax played upon the American public, first WMD''s, then it was freedom for Iraqis, then it was to fight the terrorist that were not there before we invaded and basically invited them to fight us. This case however is not the same as the ones from Vietnam when we had a draft, this is a volunteer military. Those who "volunteer" know or should know upfront that they have a chance of being sent to war, to kill. They are not volunteering for summer school. Perhaps they should have given their conscience more consideration prior to making the decision to enlist.

[brianbwb-2009]

Show me where anyone was convicted of treason even after a two year investigation. No? I thought not.
Posted by mbcsmith

Semantics. The lady''s name was exposed was it not? that is an act of treason, whether the guilty party was convicted for it or not.

Would you say that Nicole Simpson was not murdered, because OJ was not convicted?

[brianbwb-2009]

sipping capachino while the rest of their company is dodging bullets and serving with honor.
Posted by noseonurface

While Bush and his cronies sip cappucino, and laugh about how much money they are raking in. There is no honor in dying for that.

[mbcsmith]

Desertion is an act of treason, and so is revealing CIA operatives names. Treason is treason, and you still condemn one, but support the other.


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Posted by brianbwb at 09:52 AM : Nov 16, 2007

Repeating a LIB LIE doesn''t make it true. Show me where anyone was convicted of treason even after a two year investigation. No? I thought not.

[brianbwb-2009]

LIB, your assumptions are false. Traitorous deserting soldiers have nothing to do with Richard Armitage.
Posted by mbcsmith

Shooting someone to death, or stabbing someone to death also have nothing to do with each other, but they are both murder. Murder is murder.

Desertion is an act of treason, and so is revealing CIA operatives names. Treason is treason, and you still condemn one, but support the other.

[dmhphils]

I''m really amazed the Canadians didn''t take them in.....it would have been sooooo Canadian.

I mean they would fit right in with all those preppies with their sweaters tied around their necks on such a chilly morning too....sipping capachino while the rest of their company is dodging bullets and serving with honor.

[glaswolf]

speakinup and hillaryin08, you make fun of jwhitman so I suppose you''ll make fun of the 5,000 British soldiers who went down to see Davy Jones when some Argentine boys fired a French missle off the shores of Falklands. Few things make me sick, but your two attitudes rank among them. What do you people do that you are so flippant about your brethren''s existence, do you understand the damage caused when martial folk like myself have to wonder about how extensive your attitudes are? We are at war and we have a nesting of judeo christian rightists threatening revolution over southern indian workers producing for our infantries. I went thru Infantry Officers Candidate School at Ft Benning, and branched transferred into Signal Corps. Do you realize how many combat arms officers work in areas civilians think are easy going life styles? I think you should at least be told that your peoples will be judged by your thought, and protecting or letting them die will be our choice. Your vote means nothing in war.

[brianbwb-2009]

"Who are you to make that assumption for them as if they are heartless, mindless robots with M-16s. This is hardly as black and white as Hitler and the nazis and the atrocities he committed." Posted by noseonurface

But this is exactly what your posts posit, that we should forget that the reason we are in Iraq is for the lies of Bush, and mindlessly support the atrocities he is committing. This is exactly as black and white as Hitler and the nazis.
My only assumption is that the soldiers can think for themselves, and if they realize that what they are doing is wrong, and go to Canada to get away from it, it is their business. I recognize the law deems them deserters, but I also understand that Bush was wrong and his few supporters are also.

Let the law take its course, but I will not condemn them for refusing to sacrifice themselves for the Bush klan''s pocket.