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[navyretired2]

PESHAWAR, Pakistan - Pro-Taliban fighters seized an Islamic shrine in restive northwestern Pakistan and renamed it after the Red Mosque, where dozens of militants died this month in a showdown with government forces in the capital, officials said Monday.

The attack drove home the lack of government control in the tribal region, where a local government official said authorities were trying to negotiate the militants' peaceful departure from the shrine.

About 70 pro-Taliban militants overran the shrine of renowned Pashtun freedom fighter Sahib Turangzai and its adjoining mosque in Mohmand tribal region late Sunday, a militant representative said.

They evicted the mosque's caretakers, renamed it and declared their support for Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the deputy cleric of the Red Mosque, who had spearheaded an increasingly aggressive, Taliban-style anti-vice campaign in the capital.
Troops finally cracked down on the mosque and Ghazi was killed along with at least 101 other people after a weeklong siege that ended July 12.

[navyretired2]

"Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:05 PM : Jul 31, 2007"

Negative ghostrider. I posted that article simply to display that there are Saudis waging "jihad", in fact, most of the insurgents are FROM Saudi.

And yes, that clergy didn't support the true ideals of islam, which is partially my point. He's not a true believer/follower, and for every non-true believer, there's tons of others that are. Check the next post...

[tuckerndfw]

But you're right tuck...there's no Saudis waging jihad.

Posted by NavyRetired2 at 09:53 PM : Jul 31, 2007

Do you bother reading what you post?

I never claimed that there were no Muslim extremists, Saudi or otherwise.

You, on the other hand, along with that other idiot (you associated yourself with it, not I) claim the Quran requires ALL Muslims to murder all non-Muslims.

The article you posted clearly contradicts that assertion.

Perhaps you should re-read that part about the kid conferring with a "cleric" (aka "imam") about what the Quran requires.

I am beginning to doubt you are retired from anything unless you are suffering from some sort of dementia.

You are not only illogical in your arguments, you appear to be partially illiterate, and demonstrably ignorant, as well.

[navyretired2]

Oh but now you're saying those passages are misinterpretations?

Rich.

[navyretired2]

cont (part 2 of 2).......

"I realized that all along I was wrong," al-Shayea told The Associated Press in a two-hour interview at a Riyadh hotel before returning to an Interior Ministry compound that serves as a sort of halfway house for ex-jihadists rejoining Saudi society.

"There is no jihad. We are just instruments of death," he said.

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At the time he was first approached to join the insurgency, al-Shayea was already becoming a devout Muslim in his ultraconservative town of Buraida. He grew a beard, prayed five times a day and stopped listening to Arabic love songs he used to enjoy. He was 19 and jobless.

Then he was contacted by a school friend whom he doesn't identify.

"My friend started telling me about Iraq, how Muslims are getting killed there and how we should go there for jihad," said al-Shayea. "He told me there were fatwas (edicts) and DVDs issued by Saudi and Iraqi clergymen that called for jihad."

"We didn't think of jihad as something that would lead to our death. It was a fight against occupiers," said al-Shayea....
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But you're right tuck...there's no Saudis waging jihad.

[navyretired2]

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - The last time Ahmed al-Shayea was in the news, he was in the hospital at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad, being treated for severe burns from the truck bomb he had driven into the Iraqi capital on Christmas Day, 2004.
Today, he says, he has changed his mind about waging jihad, or holy war, and wants other young Muslims to know it. He wants them to see his disfigured face and fingerless hands, to hear how he was tricked into driving the truck on a fatal mission, to believe his contrition over having put his family through the agony of believing he was dead.

At 22, the new Ahmed Al-Shayea is the product of a concerted Saudi government effort to counter the ideology that nurtured the 9/11 hijackers and that has lured Saudis in droves to the Iraq insurgency. The deprogramming, similar to efforts carried out in Egypt and Yemen, is built on reason, enticements and lengthy talks with psychiatrists, Muslim clerics and sociologists.

Al-Shayea says his change of heart began when he was visited by a cleric at al-Ha'ir Prison in Riyadh following his repatriation from Iraq.

He says he put two questions to the cleric: Was the jihad for which he traveled to Iraq religiously sanctioned? And were the edicts inciting such action correct in saying the militants should not inform their parents or government of their intentions?

No and no, came the reply.

cont.............

[tuckerndfw]

The Pentagon expects the problem in Iraq to be over by Friday of next week

Posted by radiob at 09:33 PM : Jul 31, 2007

*ROFL*

Unfortunately, rednecks tend to shoot each other more than anything else. (such as Deadeye Dick Cheney_ )

Thanks for the earlier support, I was going to acknowledge that earlier but I was caught up in the ongoing discussion about Muslims.

[radiob-2009]

This is too funny I had to borrow it.

The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF)



These Alabama boys will be dropped off into Iraq and have been given only the following facts about terrorists :

1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus. 5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt.

The Pentagon expects the problem in Iraq to be over by Friday of next week

[tuckerndfw]

Posted by NavyRetired2 at 09:22 PM : Jul 31, 2007

You once again demonstrate your ignorance. Apparently, you've never read the Bible.

An "imam" is very similar to a protestant preacher. Each community (mosque) has their own imam(s).

And, each one interprets the Quran as he sees fit.

Islam is not a monolithic religion.

NO ONE speaks for all Muslims.

Muhammad (pbuh) is long since dead and no longer says much of anything. Which leaves his message open to interpretation.

Amazingly enough, which is the same thing Jews & Christians do with the Bible.

Muslims, as a group or a religion, are not waging war on anyone.

[navyretired2]

"As a matter of fact, not only do I not agree with that other idiot "quoting" the Quran or irrelevant comments made by Muslim extremists, I consider him (it?) an idiot.

Unless you concede that Pat ("Nuke the State Dept.") Robertson speaks for ALL Christians, you cannot logically argue that anyone speaks for all Muslims.

Islam is NOT a monolithic religion. NO ONE speaks for all Muslims. No one.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 09:11 PM : Jul 31, 2007"

And I'M the idiot? You just proved your ignorance beyond any shade of a possibility of a doubt.

Those "irrelevant comments made by muslim extremists" were made by none other than who? Their prophet!

No one speaks for the muslim religion eh? Not even their prophet, who they all "supposedly" follow?

I'm done with arguing with you dude. You willfully choose to ignore the basic fact that they're "religion" is based on this stuff, calling it "propeganda" and irrelevant comments. Why don't you fly back over to Saudi and tell your arab buddies that their book and prophet are irrelevant and propeganda?