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[navyretired2]

PESHAWAR, Pakistan - Pro-Taliban fighters seized an Islamic shrine in restive northwestern Pakistan and renamed it after the Red Mosque, where dozens of militants died this month in a showdown with government forces in the capital, officials said Monday.

The attack drove home the lack of government control in the tribal region, where a local government official said authorities were trying to negotiate the militants' peaceful departure from the shrine.

About 70 pro-Taliban militants overran the shrine of renowned Pashtun freedom fighter Sahib Turangzai and its adjoining mosque in Mohmand tribal region late Sunday, a militant representative said.

They evicted the mosque's caretakers, renamed it and declared their support for Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the deputy cleric of the Red Mosque, who had spearheaded an increasingly aggressive, Taliban-style anti-vice campaign in the capital.
Troops finally cracked down on the mosque and Ghazi was killed along with at least 101 other people after a weeklong siege that ended July 12.

[navyretired2]

"Posted by tuckerndfw at 10:05 PM : Jul 31, 2007"

Negative ghostrider. I posted that article simply to display that there are Saudis waging "jihad", in fact, most of the insurgents are FROM Saudi.

And yes, that clergy didn't support the true ideals of islam, which is partially my point. He's not a true believer/follower, and for every non-true believer, there's tons of others that are. Check the next post...

[tuckerndfw]

But you're right tuck...there's no Saudis waging jihad.

Posted by NavyRetired2 at 09:53 PM : Jul 31, 2007

Do you bother reading what you post?

I never claimed that there were no Muslim extremists, Saudi or otherwise.

You, on the other hand, along with that other idiot (you associated yourself with it, not I) claim the Quran requires ALL Muslims to murder all non-Muslims.

The article you posted clearly contradicts that assertion.

Perhaps you should re-read that part about the kid conferring with a "cleric" (aka "imam") about what the Quran requires.

I am beginning to doubt you are retired from anything unless you are suffering from some sort of dementia.

You are not only illogical in your arguments, you appear to be partially illiterate, and demonstrably ignorant, as well.

[navyretired2]

Oh but now you're saying those passages are misinterpretations?

Rich.

[navyretired2]

cont (part 2 of 2).......

"I realized that all along I was wrong," al-Shayea told The Associated Press in a two-hour interview at a Riyadh hotel before returning to an Interior Ministry compound that serves as a sort of halfway house for ex-jihadists rejoining Saudi society.

"There is no jihad. We are just instruments of death," he said.

[...]

At the time he was first approached to join the insurgency, al-Shayea was already becoming a devout Muslim in his ultraconservative town of Buraida. He grew a beard, prayed five times a day and stopped listening to Arabic love songs he used to enjoy. He was 19 and jobless.

Then he was contacted by a school friend whom he doesn't identify.

"My friend started telling me about Iraq, how Muslims are getting killed there and how we should go there for jihad," said al-Shayea. "He told me there were fatwas (edicts) and DVDs issued by Saudi and Iraqi clergymen that called for jihad."

"We didn't think of jihad as something that would lead to our death. It was a fight against occupiers," said al-Shayea....
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But you're right tuck...there's no Saudis waging jihad.

[navyretired2]

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - The last time Ahmed al-Shayea was in the news, he was in the hospital at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad, being treated for severe burns from the truck bomb he had driven into the Iraqi capital on Christmas Day, 2004.
Today, he says, he has changed his mind about waging jihad, or holy war, and wants other young Muslims to know it. He wants them to see his disfigured face and fingerless hands, to hear how he was tricked into driving the truck on a fatal mission, to believe his contrition over having put his family through the agony of believing he was dead.

At 22, the new Ahmed Al-Shayea is the product of a concerted Saudi government effort to counter the ideology that nurtured the 9/11 hijackers and that has lured Saudis in droves to the Iraq insurgency. The deprogramming, similar to efforts carried out in Egypt and Yemen, is built on reason, enticements and lengthy talks with psychiatrists, Muslim clerics and sociologists.

Al-Shayea says his change of heart began when he was visited by a cleric at al-Ha'ir Prison in Riyadh following his repatriation from Iraq.

He says he put two questions to the cleric: Was the jihad for which he traveled to Iraq religiously sanctioned? And were the edicts inciting such action correct in saying the militants should not inform their parents or government of their intentions?

No and no, came the reply.

cont.............

[tuckerndfw]

The Pentagon expects the problem in Iraq to be over by Friday of next week

Posted by radiob at 09:33 PM : Jul 31, 2007

*ROFL*

Unfortunately, rednecks tend to shoot each other more than anything else. (such as Deadeye Dick Cheney_ )

Thanks for the earlier support, I was going to acknowledge that earlier but I was caught up in the ongoing discussion about Muslims.

[radiob-2009]

This is too funny I had to borrow it.

The Pentagon announced TODAY the formation of a new 500-man elite fighting unit called the United States Redneck Special Forces (USRSF)



These Alabama boys will be dropped off into Iraq and have been given only the following facts about terrorists :

1. The season opened today. 2. There is no limit. 3. They taste just like chicken. 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music or Jesus. 5. They are directly responsible for the death of Dale Earnhardt.

The Pentagon expects the problem in Iraq to be over by Friday of next week

[tuckerndfw]

Posted by NavyRetired2 at 09:22 PM : Jul 31, 2007

You once again demonstrate your ignorance. Apparently, you've never read the Bible.

An "imam" is very similar to a protestant preacher. Each community (mosque) has their own imam(s).

And, each one interprets the Quran as he sees fit.

Islam is not a monolithic religion.

NO ONE speaks for all Muslims.

Muhammad (pbuh) is long since dead and no longer says much of anything. Which leaves his message open to interpretation.

Amazingly enough, which is the same thing Jews & Christians do with the Bible.

Muslims, as a group or a religion, are not waging war on anyone.

[navyretired2]

"As a matter of fact, not only do I not agree with that other idiot "quoting" the Quran or irrelevant comments made by Muslim extremists, I consider him (it?) an idiot.

Unless you concede that Pat ("Nuke the State Dept.") Robertson speaks for ALL Christians, you cannot logically argue that anyone speaks for all Muslims.

Islam is NOT a monolithic religion. NO ONE speaks for all Muslims. No one.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 09:11 PM : Jul 31, 2007"

And I'M the idiot? You just proved your ignorance beyond any shade of a possibility of a doubt.

Those "irrelevant comments made by muslim extremists" were made by none other than who? Their prophet!

No one speaks for the muslim religion eh? Not even their prophet, who they all "supposedly" follow?

I'm done with arguing with you dude. You willfully choose to ignore the basic fact that they're "religion" is based on this stuff, calling it "propeganda" and irrelevant comments. Why don't you fly back over to Saudi and tell your arab buddies that their book and prophet are irrelevant and propeganda?

[navyretired2]

Those folks you were around weren't "true" islamists, just as supposed "christians" who don't follow the word of the bible aren't "true" christians. They're offshoots of the real deal. I'm not religious, and I choose not to belong to any religion, which is a right I have as an American, and I love exercising it.

Somebody can have morals and values and NOT be religious or extremist. Nor am I democrat or republican, somebody can also have views on government without belonging to one of the two ruling parties.

I don't drink the kool-aid or the al-kookda-aid. Any document that decrees it's followers to make war or kill, should be banned as a guiding document in this modern world.

[tuckerndfw]

I don't claim...it's in their holy guiding document. Are you saying those passages in the quran don't really exist? Are you? Sure sounds like that to me.

Answer that if you can.

Posted by NavyRetired2 at 09:03 PM : Jul 31, 2007

I am not going to waste my time debating the Quran or the Bible.

But, I assure you that if you cherry picked the Bible the same way the idiot cherry picked the Quran, you could "prove" the same thing about Judaism and Christianity.

But, if you prefer propaganda over facts, that's your choice.

But, do not expect intelligent people to agree with you.

As a matter of fact, not only do I not agree with that other idiot "quoting" the Quran or irrelevant comments made by Muslim extremists, I consider him (it?) an idiot.

Unless you concede that Pat ("Nuke the State Dept.") Robertson speaks for ALL Christians, you cannot logically argue that anyone speaks for all Muslims.

Islam is NOT a monolithic religion. NO ONE speaks for all Muslims. No one.

[navyretired2]

"They sure missed a great opportunity, if, as you and that other idiot claim, they are required to kill (or convert) all non-Muslims."

I don't claim...it's in their holy guiding document. Are you saying those passages in the quran don't really exist? Are you? Sure sounds like that to me.

Answer that if you can.

[tuckerndfw]

I said those you were around weren't "fundamentalists" at the true nature of the word. But you go ahead and ignore the basis of the argument and blindly ignore the facts. Your world's more comfy that way I reckon.

Posted by NavyRetired2 at 08:53 PM : Jul 31, 2007

Riyadh is the home of millions of people.

As a matter of fact, once you leave Riyadh, it is a LONG way to anywhere else.

You are correct that I never encountered anyone who demanded I convert or die. Given the fact "westerners" were fairly obvious by our dress (most, not all, Saudi men wore the traditional dress), it would have been fairly easy to single us out.

And, my family and I routinely frequented "souks" (open air markets) that appeared to be frequented by lots and lots of Saudis.

They sure missed a great opportunity, if, as you and that other idiot claim, they are required to kill (or convert) all non-Muslims.

At no time did anyone ever mention the topic of religion other than when my Saudi friend politely inquired if it would offend me if he gave me a Christmas present.

No one ever came to my door demanding that I convert or face hell, as has occurred countless times in the US. Of course, they are those good Christian folks, so that's different, I suppose.

Propaganda is propaganda. Muslim extremists are a tiny minority of all Muslims, same as with Christians or Jews.

[navyretired2]

"Posted by tuckerndfw at 08:49 PM : Jul 31, 2007"

I never said or implied you didn't do any of those things. Moron. Learn to read.

I said those you were around weren't "fundamentalists" at the true nature of the word. But you go ahead and ignore the basis of the argument and blindly ignore the facts. Your world's more comfy that way I reckon.

[tuckerndfw]

Posted by NavyRetired2 at 08:28 PM : Jul 31, 2007

Yeah, you're right.

I didn't really live in the Sulmaniya (sp?) district of Riyadh. (near the old Riyadh airport, which is now a military airbase)

I didn't really hear those US Air Force AWAC's taking off from and landing at the Saudi airbase that also doubled as the Riyadh airport at the time.

I didn't really have a very devout Muslim Egyptian couple as neigbhors in our compound.

I didn't really drink my homemade wine sitting by the pool with my good Saudi friend, whose daddy was an imam, while he drank Pepsi. (Coca-cola was not allowed in KSA, nor were Fords, due to their connections with Israel).

I didn't really see all those Bedouins driving arouund in Toyota pickups with camels riding in the back.

I didn't really see that brand new (empty) apartment building built by the Saudi government for the Bedouins. But, they refused to live in it, preferring their tents instead.

I just made all that stuff up so I could argue with morons on the Internet.

Whatever you say, NavyRetired.

But, I was there, you were not.

Ergo: You do not know what you are talking about. I do.

[iceman_1960]

REL Post by Iceman_1960 at 08:35 PM : Jul 31, 2007

A bad joke.

One that should not be dignified with a response.

[ban_islam]

Tks for the link/quotes ban. Posted by NavyRetired2
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Happy to help-I win more soldiers for my cause of defending the West by arming them with the truth. ;)

[ban_islam]

But, that is totally irrelevant to the fact that I worked on a daily basis with some of the most fundamentalist Muslims on the planet and they were nothing like what is portrayed in western media.OBL represent Muslims like Pat ("nuke the State Dept.") Robertson represents Christians.
Posted by tuckerndfw

Your personal experience means di.ck all. We're talking about a fascist/totalitarian ideology that seeks to unite the world under one barbaric religion-something they're working like busy beavers to achieve as we speak. I like how you side-stepped the case of massive bigotry, hate and violence perpetrated by muslims against non-muslims.

You follow and cover-up (put lipstick on this pig) a very intolerant backwards ideology and are only convincing Americans more and more that the 'moderate' muslims guys are just as much a part of this 'Islam racket' as the radical OBL nuts. I think that's great-then they'll clue in and realize its not just the radicals that are the problem, but the whole ****** religion.

[iceman_1960]

RE: Post by ban_islam at 08:31 PM : Jul 31, 2007

We know why ban_islam, the Irish butt doctor, really hates Islam.

"Homosexuality is a legal crime and forbidden in most of Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc... Since the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran, the Iranian government has executed more than 4000 people charged with homosexual acts. In Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban homosexuality went from a capital crime to one that it punished with fines and prison sentence."

- Wikipedia