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on_alert247 says:
Tucker,

Perhaps it is because the "democratically" elected members of Hamas want to kill the other "democratically" elected Fatah representatives, the Jews, and anyone that gets in the way of their stated goal to destroy Israel? Is this really difficult for you to comprehend?
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tuckerndfw says:
Isn't Hamas the representation chosen by the Palestinian people in fair and open elections?

By what authority is Abbas claiming the right to appoint a government?

Why are US forces dying in Iraq? It cannot be to support "democracy." The US obviously does not support "democracy."
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fredgrad2000 says:
Prizowhales - we only want to deal with the corrupt Fatah? Better the corrupt than the terrorist...The Germans supported the Nazis (not counting the rigged elections either) at their height of power - should we just have accepted them because the people favored them? Fatah is run by far more competent, moderate, reasonable men than Hamas - who owes their allegiance to the "reasonable" Iran!!

Go back to MoveOn.org with your "Regime" rhetoric - luckily in this nation; the uninformed (the majority of the American people who never actually get educated on issues, but buy rhetoric and sound-bites from campaigns, bloggers, and the "media") and opinion polls don't make policy, we live in a Republic, not a democracy. I love how lefties claim opinion poll numbers when it suits them, but never when its not...if we should always support public opinion, then George Bush was perfectly right in invading Iraq since 75%+ said we should; and those who want gay marriage rights are in trouble since majorities don't want that either (yet judges have overturned that), and the 2nd amendment is in trouble because most Americans want gun control!!
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fredgrad2000 says:
Cont'd from below... and 2) However, f'ed up in management by Bush and crew - at its heart neo-conservatism wants to achieve peace and end extremism through the promotion of freedom and democracy (2 very liberal ideals) - by giving the oppressed something better and more hopeful to do than recite Salafist Islam and hear anti-Israeli rhetoric from their tyrant leaders (who blame all their own incompetencies on "Zionism" and "the West") - neoconservatism embraces very LIBERAL ideals in that respect; its funny how "liberals" no longer embrace those goals but instead point to the realist class of GOP foreign policy minds that in very UN-liberal style promote stability and supporting whoever best serves our own national interests - seems a "liberal" would have more issue with that than with spreading freedom and democracy.

Now, that's not to say the word isn't commonly mis-used and that our current "neo-cons" haven't operated very poorly in an execution of that ideology; but in what neo-conservatism was originally designed as (Daniel Patrick Moynihan was one of its original authors BTW), it was far more liberal than conservative in its founding, despite the word "conservative" in its title.
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fredgrad2000 says:
"they've been saying that since Jesus was there -

"we have no partner" for peace... blahblah all of it. the fact is, the lukid/katima neocons are happy as pie, no partner = no peace = we keep the land......neoconRcrazy

Since Jesus was there? The Muslim conquerers in the 8th and 9th Centuries forcibly converted or massacred the Jewish tribes, hence the "Diaspora" - so there was no occupation, except by the Muslims for 1300 of the last 1350 years!!

As for "partner for peace" - Hamas will not recognize Israel as a nation; how do you negotiate as a "partner for peace" when you won't even acknowledge the existence or right thereto of the other party!! Calling Kadima "neocons" may sound like an insult to you lefties; but 1) Kadima is built of as many Labor leaders (the Israeli left) as members from the moderate wing of Likud; and 2)...
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neoconrcrazy says:
but the problem was that with the breakdown of civil authority there (Gaza), Israel had no recognized party with whom to work. - shlomo


they've been saying that since Jesus was there -

"we have no partner" for peace... blahblah all of it. the fact is, the lukid/katima neocons are happy as pie, no partner = no peace = we keep the land......




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prinzowhales says:
Sounds almost like America...The will of the majority means nothing...Over70% of the people want an end to the occupation of Iraq, the Regime sends in more troops and builds an embassy compound bigger than Vatican City...The overwhelming majority want the Regime to control the border--the Regime supports amnesty and refuses to protect the border; the overwhelming majority don't want the Trans-Texas corridor, NAFTA, CAFTA and the WTO and the Regime supports all of them...The people vote Democratic to end the war and the Democrats vote to continue it...The people of Palestine support Hamas and the supporters of American-style 'democracy' have no respect for the will of the people and want only to deal with the corrupt Fatah.

The enemy of America is ensconced in Washington and it is decades past time that this Regime be eliminated root and branch and a Constitutional government for and by the People restored. Our forefathers did not come here to establish a world busy body to deny to others the rights and privileges that we would claim for ourselves for the sake of a New World Order of emasculated and enslaved humanity. Vote out the Demo-publican garbage!
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