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Islamic Group Takes Control Of Gaza Strip, Splitting Palestinian Territories Into Two

[pwrslm]

as the opposition states that there are no Jews you have reversed the statement to being there are no Palestinians.
Posted by radiob


Thats not true. I stated that historically, the palestinians are the Jews. Arafat siezed on the idea that if the Arabs claimed to be palestinians, he could convince them that they had a right to the Jews Homeland.

Its not true, the territory was renamed by the Romans, that is where the term comes from. The Romans named the territory after the Jews worst enemie, the Philistines, who were destroyed by Israel, and its remnants absorbed into Jewish populations. It was called Israel before the Romans, just as it is today.

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Posted by radiob

If you repeat propoganda, gossip, and rumors, its still propoganda, gossip, and rumors.

The only way to step forward is by using the truth. The truth is that all the condemnation against Israels use of force for decades ignored the cause of the use of force, which was the use of force by the Arab population. Isreal has been, and continues to be, under attack from Arab populations. In the last 6 years, since the declaration of the infitada by Arafat, there have been over 22 thousand attacks against Israel by these Arab who call themselves palestinians. In addition to that, more than 300 rockets have been fired into civilian areas by those same people, most of them under control of Hamas.

If any other nation in the world came under that type of attack, there would no condemnation by the UN or any member state for that nation to defend its borders and its peoples.

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Posted by neoconRcrazy

And all of this continues to justify the violence that occurs, the poverty that is imposed not just by the failure to release funds but also the failure for the Arab world to invest in the economy of the Palestinians. This will never end as long as the partys involved and the world continue to allow the hypocrisy of themselves.

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Posted by neoconRcrazy

Ive heard your lies from KKK, White Supremacists, Nazi's, and Muslims, and the only thing different today than yesterday, is that they continue to be repeated by ignorant people.
Posted by pwrslm at 08:16 AM : Jun 16, 2007

[neoconrcrazy]

One man?????

Posted by radiob


the one man happens to be the leader of Hamas,
whether you believe it not, it is true.

and logical, but the Christian Science Monitor article hits the nail on the head.

[radiob-2009]

You speak of propoganda machines disguised as polls, and reach back to the history of the European Continent when Jews fled the Romans brutality, and 2000 years of hatred and persecution, by men, to justify todays violence?


This is the same statement that the opposition to Israel states, that the polls are not to be trusted are not reliable.Just as the opposition states that there are no Jews you have reversed the statement to being there are no Palestinians.
Seems the opposition to Israel existence and you have more in common than you would like to admit.

[neoconrcrazy]

"There is an enormous difference between "recognizing Israel's existence" and "recognizing Israel's right to exist." From a Palestinian perspective, the difference is in the same league as the difference between asking a Jew to acknowledge that the Holocaust happened and asking him to concede that the Holocaust was morally justified. For Palestinians to acknowledge the expulsion (Nakba) of the great majority of Palestinians from their homeland between 1947 and 1949 %u2013 is one thing. For them to publicly concede that it was "right" for the explusion to have happened would be something else entirely. For the Jewish and Palestinian peoples, the Holocaust and the Nakba, respectively, represent catastrophes and injustices on an unimaginable scale that can neither be forgotten nor forgiven.

To demand that Palestinians recognize "Israel's right to exist" is to demand that a people who have been treated as subhumans unworthy of basic human rights publicly proclaim that they are subhumans. It would imply Palestinians' acceptance that they deserve what has been done and continues to be done to them. Even 19th-century US governments did not require the surviving native Americans to publicly proclaim the "rightness" of their ethnic cleansing by European colonists as a condition precedent to even discussing what sort of land reservation they might receive.
Christian Science Monitor, Feb.2, 2007 article : What Israel's "right to exist" means to Palestinians

[radiob-2009]

You speak of propoganda machines disguised as polls, and reach back to the history of the European Continent when Jews fled the Romans brutality, and 2000 years of hatred and persecution, by men, to justify todays violence?

No, I dont buy into the lie. Until all peoples respect and recognize all of the facts provided by history, proving the right of the people who are Jews to thier homeland, to include muslim and arab alike, then there can be no peace.

Posted by pwrslm



I do not justify the violence never did and never will.The last part of your statement I have no quarrels with.

[radiob-2009]

another reflection, maybe you were right before 1939. there was no palestinian unity but that changed quickly as jewish immigration began uncontrolled and zionists bought vast framlands from illiterate peasants - rumbling began already then, even violence.


The bought purchased the land from illiterate peasants so what is the difference between this and common real estate transactions? Land being purchased from others is not stolen, a price is paid albeit perhaps not fair price but this occurs in real estate all the time. Should I feel sorry for the individuals that I purchased my property from at 35% below market value because they did not know market value. The responsibilty wrest with them and their agent to inform them of fair value not the buyer.

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Posted by pwrslm at

Have you ever read any of the polls and how the questions are worded or conducted? Have you ever actually encountered anyone that is a practicing Muslim? You have taken the discussion from being one about the territories to be about the religion of Muslims. Did not Martin Luther advocate the destruction and enslavement of the Jews? Did all "Christians" believe him and follow his words? No because in the heart of every civilized human being wrests a soul of compassion and tolerance not of blind ignorance and hatred.
Posted by radiob


Wasnt it Christian Nations (ie..Brittain and the USA) that established the State of Isreal in 1949? Why not recognize that there are no Christians today in Israel calling for the destruction of the Jewish Homeland?

Does the faults of men acting under the guise of Christians hundreds of years ago give rise to justice today, in the muslims stated goals (to wipe Israel off the map, to drive the Jews into the Sea, to burn the Jewish State to the ground)?

You speak of propoganda machines disguised as polls, and reach back to the history of the European Continent when Jews fled the Romans brutality, and 2000 years of hatred and persecution, by men, to justify todays violence?

No, I dont buy into the lie. Until all peoples respect and recognize all of the facts provided by history, proving the right of the people who are Jews to thier homeland, to include muslim and arab alike, then there can be no peace.

[pwrslm]

Posted by pwrslm at

Have you ever read any of the polls and how the questions are worded or conducted? Have you ever actually encountered anyone that is a practicing Muslim? You have taken the discussion from being one about the territories to be about the religion of Muslims. Did not Martin Luther advocate the destruction and enslavement of the Jews? Did all "Christians" believe him and follow his words? No because in the heart of every civilized human being wrests a soul of compassion and tolerance not of blind ignorance and hatred.
Posted by radiob


Wasnt it Christian Nations (ie..Brittain and the USA) that established the State of Isreal in 1949? Why not recognize that there are no Christians today in Israel calling for the destruction of the Jewish Homeland?

Does the faults of men acting under the guise of Christians hundreds of years ago give rise to justice today, in the muslims stated goals (to wipe Israel off the map, to drive the Jews into the Sea, to burn the Jewish State to the ground)?

You speak of propoganda machines disguised as polls, and reach back to the history of the European Continent when Jews fled the Romans brutality, and 2000 years of hatred and persecution, by men, to justify todays violence?

No, I dont buy into the lie. Until all peoples respect and recognize all of the facts provided by history, proving the right of the people who are Jews to thier homeland, to include muslim and arab alike, then there can be no peace.

[radiob-2009]

I heard from the BBC interview with the Hamas leader after his partys' election last year. It was the first question the brritish journalist asked him. I'll try to find a reference but, as GWB says, you can believe me.


Posted by neoconRcrazy


One man????? Is the source of your statement, might as well ask your dog if he is hungry with a bowl of food in front of him.

[pwrslm]

Posted by neoconRcrazy

Ive heard your lies from KKK, White Supremacists, Nazi's, and Muslims, and the only thing different today than yesterday, is that they continue to be repeated by ignorant people.

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Posted by pwrslm at

Have you ever read any of the polls and how the questions are worded or conducted? Have you ever actually encountered anyone that is a practicing Muslim? You have taken the discussion from being one about the territories to be about the religion of Muslims. Did not Martin Luther advocate the destruction and enslavement of the Jews? Did all "Christians" believe him and follow his words? No because in the heart of every civilized human being wrests a soul of compassion and tolerance not of blind ignorance and hatred.

[neoconrcrazy]

most palestinians say they do not know what israel is referred to; the legitimate pre-1967 israel or the occupying israel.

Posted by neoconRcrazy

And where is the proof of this statement?

Posted by radiob


I heard from the BBC interview with the Hamas leader after his partys' election last year. It was the first question the brritish journalist asked him. I'll try to find a reference but, as GWB says, you can believe me.

[pwrslm]

A bit racist do you not think? This is the same position that Hamas and other extremist take on the flip side of the coin.This feeds more hatred.

Posted by radiob

No, its the truth. Before 1963, the term "palestinian" was used by Arabs as a derogatory referrence to Jews. Only from that point forward, did any Arab/Muslim claim to be a palestinian.

The real Palestinians are Jews, from the time of the Romans. The renamed Israel as an example, using the name of the philistine's to disrespect the Jews after they rebelled against Rome. Arabs are not palestinians, nor Israelites. This is the core truth. There will be no peace until the Arabs accept it, and set aside thier plan, put in force by Arafat, to destroy Israel.

[neoconrcrazy]

There is no such thing as a "palestinian".

Posted by pwrslm


another reflection, maybe you were right before 1939. there was no palestinian unity but that changed quickly as jewish immigration began uncontrolled and zionists bought vast framlands from illiterate peasants - rumbling began already then, even violence.

since 1948 when the UN declared israel a state, (it had always been referred to previously as a "National Homeland" to avoid conflict with the local population), and forgot the local inhabitants, over 750'000 palestinians were asked to leave, forced to leave. Palestinian identity was formed.

Since 1967 and the wholesale occupation and theft of Palestinian lands, the resistance movement became a reality and as Irun and the Stern Gang did it their time, killing innocents by bomb and bullet, so were the "terrorist" groups we have today doing the same thing.

israel created all the "terrorists"; Fatah, Hamas, Hezbollah.

[pwrslm]

If one were to continue to stereotype one side or the other in this conflict as being against peace then they are doing nothing more than advocating further violence. Posted by radiob

Just as I said, any poll they push that fails to provide a full, comprehensive exposure of the truth, is nothing more than a farce. This statement you made demonstrates that point of origin, to ignore that causes by using rhetoric. Its not ignoring peaceful hopes of the populace as much as it is failing to reveal the whole mindset that causes the continuing violence. Of course a mother of 5 children wants peace, right up to the time one of them is recruited into jihad as a suicide bomber for a buss load of Jewish women and children.

Separating the governance of Islam under the muslim mindset gives us an inaccurate view of situation, which is one of absolute intollerance against any non muslim occupying what they percieve to be territory that is "waqf" ( an inheritance decreed by God) for Islam (which is, essentially, the entire earth).

[radiob-2009]

1. There is no such thing as a "palestinian". They are, and will continue to be, Arabs, though most of them cleave to Islam and a political system.

Posted by pwrslm


A bit racist do you not think? This is the same position that Hamas and other extremist take on the flip side of the coin.This feeds more hatred.

[radiob-2009]

there is a name for that sickness which does not allow a person to accept reality - what is it called? oh, self-delusion.

if you have the stomach watch the news and you'll see hundreds of thousands of people in Gaza waving green flags - all Palestinians.


Posted by neoconRcrazy


This is the same argument someone else was making in regards to the Israelis and you did not object then, what is the difference? That one takes your position so therefore is defendable while the other opposes your perceived position is not? There is a word for this.