Comments on: Mexico City Politicians In Hot Holy Water

Pope Denounces Those Who Voted To Legalize Abortion

[afmca]

To jairod - "thou shall not kill" - killing is never ending; it is the one thing mankind works hard at and is always improving at. Church (especially Catholic church) sponsored killing has been going on since the beginning of the church. They have never had issues killing the infidel or their idea of the infidel. Look at the crusades and the slaughter sanctioned by the church; the Inquisition; the church standing by during the Nazi extermination of the Jews; and how many Catholoc missionaries have destroyed entire civilizations in the name of their God. Their answer centuries later, "I'm Sorry." Even if you see this as killing it is on such a small scale for a church with such a past. Abortion is whether you believe it is a life or the possibility or potential of life. Although the need to end the potential is sad and difficult, I leave that decision to the woman and her doctor.

[rushman71]

I am a Christian conservative, born and raise Catholic, and still oppose abortion, but not 100%. I do not think that it would be fair for the woman to bare a child when she was raped or dying of some disease or sickness. Also I do support the use of condoms, not only for the protection from getting the woman pregnant, but also to help lessen the chance of exchanging STD. Disregarding rape or sickness, do I think that it is fair for a woman to have an abortion, she should have thought about that before she got under the sheets.

[rushman71]

I am a Christian conservative, born and raise Catholic, and still oppose abortion, but not 100%. I do not think that it would be fair for the woman to bare a child when she was raped or dying of some disease or sickness. Also I do support the use of condoms, not only for the protection from getting the woman pregnant, but also to help lessen the chance of exchanging STD. Disregarding rape or sickness, do I think that it is fair for a woman to have an abortion, she should have thought about that before she got under the sheets.

[jairod]

This is not politics, this is religion. Quit thinking in temporal terms and think in terms of the everlasting. The church erred regarding the pedophiles among its ranks, never mind all the other religious and non-religious organizations frought with pedophiles. But, to think that you can advance your political agenda by attacking any religious organization is pure folly. Speak in terms of what they understand and in terms of what is important to them (and, please don't start on the money, etc). If you have a point to make, they will listen if you speak their language. For example: Jesus says that "it would be better to have a millstone around your neck and thrown into the sea than scandalize one of these little ones." How do the offending priests and bishops respond to that warning? As for abortion: how do you counter: Thou shalt not kill?

[afmca]

I applaud the Mexican politicans that realized that abortion will always be available; but safe ones don't have to be. They have now made the procedure safe and the women of Mexico should rejoice. This does not force one to get an abortion - it just makes it more probable that she will survive it. That is the logic missing in much of the US. All Roe v Wade did was give to the lower and middle class the same right to a safe medical procedure that the rich and connected had. Now if some states in the US ban the medical procedure, the rich folk will just take care of it when the go on vacation to Cancun.

[ixoye_02]

The American catholics should break from Rome. If this pope is willing to wield excommunication to politicians who support abortion rights and not say anything public about those priests who abused children while bishops silently were complicit, then I say that the pope is seriously deluded about truth and the concept of forgiveness and counsel before punishment. It really saddens me because the church has lost it's focus and doesn't provide real leadership.

[ixoye_02]

The American catholics should break from Rome. If this pope is willing to wield excommunication to politicians who support abortion rights and not say anything public about those priests who abused children while bishops silently were complicit, then I say that the pope is seriously deluded about truth and the concept of forgiveness and counsel before punishment. It really saddens me because the church has lost it's focus and doesn't provide real leadership.

[clevercandi]

Religion is MAN's concept, not GOD's.

[afmca]

I applaud the Mexican politicans that realized that abortion will always be available; but safe ones don't have to be. They have now made the procedure safe and the women of Mexico should rejoice. This does not force one to get an abortion - it just makes it more probable that she will survive it. That is the logic missing in much of the US. All Roe v Wade did was give to the lower and middle class the same right to a safe medical procedure that the rich and connected had. Now if some states in the US ban the medical procedure, the rich folk will just take care of it when the go on vacation to Cancun.

[afmca]

I applaud the Mexican politicans that realized that abortion will always be available; but safe ones don't have to be. They have now made the procedure safe and the women of Mexico should rejoice. This does not force one to get an abortion - it just makes it more probable that she will survive it. That is the logic missing in much of the US. All Roe v Wade did was give to the lower and middle class the same right to a safe medical procedure that the rich and connected had. Now if some states in the US ban the medical procedure, the rich folk will just take care of it when the go on vacation to Cancun.

[nolalou]

I bet the church has no such 'automatic excommunication' for politicians who vote for or otherwise support the death penalty!

[lfitts1]

This pope will insure that the church and the vatican become completely superfluous--the major problem in the third world is over population and population control--if you you practice 'vatican roulette' and then have 8 children--it is harder to feed and clothe, much less educate them. If you practice birth control--the problems become easier to manage--mother theresa would have done better to hand out condoms than wash the feet of the poor!!!

We in the US should be less smug however, our 'right to choose' is bein eroded by the 'christian right' !!!

[lfitts1]

This pope will insure that the church and the vatican become completely superfluous--the major problem in the third world is over population and population control--if you you practice 'vatican roulette' and then have 8 children--it is harder to feed and clothe, much less educate them. If you practice birth control--the problems become easier to manage--mother theresa would have done better to hand out condoms than wash the feet of the poor!!!

We in the US should be less smug however, our 'right to choose' is bein eroded by the 'christian right' !!!

[lfitts1]

This pope will insure that the church and the vatican become completely superfluous--the major problem in the third world is over population and population control--if you you practice 'vatican roulette' and then have 8 children--it is harder to feed and clothe, much less educate them. If you practice birth control--the problems become easier to manage--mother theresa would have done better to hand out condoms than wash the feet of the poor!!!

We in the US should be less smug however, our 'right to choose' is bein eroded by the 'christian right' !!!

[lfitts1]

This pope will insure that the church and the vatican become completely superfluous--the major problem in the third world is over population and population control--if you you practice 'vatican roulette' and then have 8 children--it is harder to feed and clothe, much less educate them. If you practice birth control--the problems become easier to manage--mother theresa would have done better to hand out condoms than wash the feet of the poor!!!

We in the US should be less smug however, our 'right to choose' is bein eroded by the 'christian right' !!!

[lfitts1]

This pope will insure that the church and the vatican become completely superfluous--the major problem in the third world is over population and population control--if you you practice 'vatican roulette' and then have 8 children--it is harder to feed and clothe, much less educate them. If you practice birth control--the problems become easier to manage--mother theresa would have done better to hand out condoms than wash the feet of the poor!!!

We in the US should be less smug however, our 'right to choose' is bein eroded by the 'christian right' !!!

[lfitts1]

This pope will insure that the church and the vatican become completely superfluous--the major problem in the third world is over population and population control--if you you practice 'vatican roulette' and then have 8 children--it is harder to feed and clothe, much less educate them. If you practice birth control--the problems become easier to manage--mother theresa would have done better to hand out condoms than wash the feet of the poor!!!

We in the US should be less smug however, our 'right to choose' is bein eroded by the 'christian right' !!!

[tuckerndfw]

Given the fact the Vatican attempts to interfere with sovereign governments, the Catholic church should lose tax exempt status.

It's one thing to preach the gospel, it is quite another when the dictator (pope) of a sovereign nation (Vatican City, aka Holy See) attempts to coerce politicians of other sovereign nations to concede to their demands.

[mygramma]

The Vatican needs to get with the program. Society evolves, but for centuries the church has refused to come to grips with that fact. And for decades it has been a struggle to find enough priests and nuns and to keep schools open. The people of Mexico City love their city and take great pride in their own progressive ideals. If Mexico City lawmakers can do what they just did with abortion and gay alliances, it's just a matter of time until the rest of south and Central American catches up. Hello Vatican... anybody awake?

[gunownerdan]

Catholicism is alive and well in Mexico, that's for sure. I just hope Mexican parents have some sense and they don't let their kids be alone with the priests.