Comments on: 15 Brits Heading Home From Iran

British Sailors, Marines Released By Iran As Easter "Gift" Are On Flight To London

[kretos-2009]

Blair should not punish soldiers... LOL

[tuckerndfw]

I know what you mean. I just some of our politicians were as politically savvy as him. It'd sure be nice to have an intelligent person in the White House after the last 6 years of Bozo the clown and his circus of fools.

Posted by RandalDS at 02:16 AM : Apr 05, 2007

Once again, we agree (as usual).

I live in a rural part of Johnson County (adjacent to Dallas and Fort Worth) Texas.

My neighbors are mostly rednecks, bible thumping Christian Bush supporters. Johnson County is most widely known for prosecuting a woman for selling "s e x toys" (d i l d o e s, lingery, etc.) to other women in the privacy of her own home.

Out of respect for my neighbors' viewpoints, I normally restrain my remarks regarding Bush to "he's the worst president in US history" and leave it at that.

But, today, while at a local store, I uncharacteristically found myself ranting and raving about the Bush administration, and, the corruption and incompetence of the entire administration.

Oddly enough, those nearby agreed with me.

Perhaps there is yet hope.

[themooniac]

I never singled out Muslims. And the beauty of America is that it is a secular society. I don't buy into any of your stilted views of American culture. Why would you even assume I am a Christian???? The separation of church and state is just a sign of an advanced civilisation... you can't continue killing people just because they don't beliveve in the same higher power. All religions preach tolerance and if you go against the rules, the allmighty rules, no matter how they fall, you are going to get caught, burned, and thats all you need to know...

[randalds]

I know what you mean. I just some of our politicians were as politically savvy as him. It'd sure be nice to have an intelligent person in the White House after the last 6 years of Bozo the clown and his circus of fools.

[tuckerndfw]

Face it, Ahmadinejad just played Bush like a well tuned violin. I'm no big fan of his, but in this case he showed himself to be many times the politician and leader then Bush. Compared to him Bush comes off as even more of a joke.

Posted by RandalDS at 02:05 AM : Apr 05, 2007

We agree.

It was a "dog and pony show" from the very beginning.

And, Ahmadinejab carried it off to perfection. He made Bush and Blair appear to be warmongering savages (which isn't hard to do) while demonstrating himself to be compassionate and merciful (whether he is or not is irrelevant).

I actually laughed when I heard him request Blair not punish the soldiers.

[randalds]

Come to think of it ever since Ahmadinejad was elected I can't think of a single incident where he DIDN'T play Bush like a violin and made him look foolish. Of course it's breathtakingly easy to make Bush look like an idiot since he does most of the work for you, but still......

[tuckerndfw]

Iran is a sovereign nation and as such has as much right to develop whatever weapons she so chooses as any other nation.

If the goal is a "nuclear free" Middle East, we should start with the nation in the Middle East that currently has nuclear weapons, and is apparently developing ever increasingly destructive "weapons of mass destruction."

[randalds]

Posted by tuckerndfw at 01:56 AM : Apr 05, 2007

You're right, they don't appear to be under duress or pressure. In fact they look like they're a lot better off then the prisoners we release from Gitmo. I'll bet anything that when they get back they'll say they were treated with nothing but respect and kindness. Why? Because compared to Bush, Ahmadinejad is a political genius (of course so is my pet dog, but still). he knows that by releasing them unharmed and more importantly untortured, he comes off looking like a much more compassionate and sensible world leader. Unlike Bush who pushes torture and warmongering and comes off to the rest of the world for what he is, an ignorant pompous as*s and a bully. Face it, Ahmadinejad just played Bush like a well tuned violin. I'm no big fan of his, but in this case he showed himself to be many times the politician and leader then Bush. Compared to him Bush comes off as even more of a joke.

[tuckerndfw]

...it's a viewpoint that denies the fact that man is inherently good...

Posted by themooniac at 01:36 AM : Apr 05, 2007

That describes the biblical view of mankind.

Why do you single out Muslims?

Jews and Christians also promote that idea.

BTW, the bible specifically requires bible believers to obey their kings & rulers. Which leaves little room for self-governance, freedom or "democracy."

[tuckerndfw]

they don't appear under duress or pressure??? Dude, I cannot help you with this, thats so insulting, . . .

Posted by themooniac at 01:40 AM : Apr 05, 2007

They did not appear to be under duress. They were being released and appeared to be nervous and excited, but they were speaking to the president of Iran and a crowd of people.

Which would account for being nervous and excited.

But, being nervous and excited is not the kind of duress to which I referred. I was referring to the kind of duress (torture) which the US & UK imposes on detainees.

Odd how detainees' "confessions" while being tortured by the US & UK are treated as genuine and accurate while those of people who are not being subjected to torture are dismissed as "under duress."

[tbweb]

I hear all your negative comments but I still say Irans actions will determine the course of events from this point. Irans future is in its own hands based on the decisions Iran makes. If Iran continues with uranium enrichment I'm for an attack, if Iran suspends uranium enrichment I'm for peace, its really that simple. But what I don't agree with is being locked into a course of action to attack Iran no matter what Iran does! If all of you are correct Iran will continue to support Hezzbolla, Hamas, Insurgents and enrich uranium in which case I say we attack! But right now Iran can go in the opposite direction and we must be willing to as well. I prefer peace but I'm ready for war too!

[themooniac]

tuckerindfw: Are you kidding? they don't appear under duress or pressure??? Dude, I cannot help you with this, thats so insulting, why don't you ask any POW in any war if they felt free to speak their mind while captured. That was so sad, so ridiculously moronic for you to say.....

[themooniac]

The Islamic system is rooted in feudalism and denies original thought. It's viewpoint is that man is incapable of governing itself...it's a viewpoint that denies the fact that man is inherently good...

[tuckerndfw]

And the remainder of the people who have'nt thanked the "Iranian people" well never be known because you can't speak from the grave ......

Posted by themooniac at 01:26 AM : Apr 05, 2007

The US & UK have murdered far more people than Iran. But, I'll bet those murdered by the US & UK wouldn't be thankful, either.

On what do you base the claim they were forced to thank the Iranian people? I just saw their interviews on BBC and they didn't appear to be under duress.

Nor did they appear to be reading scripts.

[themooniac]

If they did'nt thank the Iranian people their faces wuld never see the light of day. GET REAL. And the remainder of the people who have'nt thanked the "Iranian people" well never be known because you can't speak from the grave ......

[tuckerndfw]

When the US (and by implication, the UK) releases "detainees," they claim they were tortured and they sue.

When Iran releases "detainees," they thank the Iranian people.

Tell me again which nation is the more "evil"?

[randalds]

"I
believe
today
that
my
conduct
is in
accordance
with the
will of
the Almighty."

Adolf Hitler. Mien Kampf

[feelfree1]

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

[stezzer]

diplomacy3

Thank you, goodnight sir.

[tbweb]

Are you hopeful that U.S. foreign policy will also, one day, become "nice".
Posted by feelfree1 at 11:51 PM : Apr 04, 2007

--feelfree1

Of couse I'm hopeful the U.S. will one day become nice. The U.S. is not a communist nation! President Bush has little time left in office and can't run again. President Bush is not permanent. So of course I'm hopeful, everyone should be.