Comments on: Iran: U.K. Must Admit Fault To End Dispute

Demands Britain Admit Its Sailors Entered Iranian Waters To Resolve Standoff Over Their Capture

[gaye5]

patriotic9 I know that you are probably taking the micky out of me, but we know that from what other Presidents plus China, and Russia they have given Iraq, Iran etc weapons, but Bush told them for 18 months that he was coming giving them time to hide them and I have always wondered WHY???

I know my father went to war over seas so as they could not come to the west to kill his precious girls... I also know that Muslims have been blowing up Americans embassies etc since before 1970... a bit here and a bit there.. they want us to make the first big push so as they can tell their people how bad we are...that we started it..

[gaye5]

patriotic9 you said ,then why did Reagan give WEAPONS,MONEY and MILITARY... and it is a very good question.. I think there could possibly be many reasons, but I suspect like leaders today, they dont have a clue what is in the Quran and other Muslim holy books, simply because they take council from Muslims themselves and these Muslims only perhaps quote the first part of the Quran which is full of love, tolerance etc, until later when Mohammad acquired enough numbers to become a force, Mohammad then became a force and behold Allah changed his mind and became revengeful, hateful etc...But all merciful IF you become a Muslim????!!!!
Secondly, It could be because we are the opposite to Islam and we dont want war at all costs, we are supposed to be a Christian country and follow what the bible says, and thus our mindset is totally different which many of the west cant comprehend the Muslim type of thinking... They cant see that a Muslim who blows up people are good muslims, they are cleansing the world of apes and monkeys as the Quran says of us and the Jews..we are the evil infidel, and if they dont cleanse the whole world of the evil unclean infidel, Christians, Jews and pagans we could pollute their religion and they would go to hell... so you see these poor Muslims are only doing what the Quran tells them that a person who really loves allah would do... and this is why the Quran says that they are NOT allowed to even be friends with us unless it is to make us become a Muslim..

tbweb wrote:

"I agree! Its a nasty situation for sure."

Agreed.

If Iran continues it's present path, things will get very nasty (for both sides).

tbweb wrote:

"So if an Iranian fell off its ship on the Iraq side of the water and was drowning, do the Iranians save their ship mate or let him drown because they can't cross the water line to save them? Common sense is not too common is it?"

I work as a manager in computer support - there is NO such thing as commonsense. ;-)

Everyday I have to stop myself from slapping various people.

[tbweb]

--mcdazz

I agree! Its a nasty situation for sure.

[tbweb]

--grazinggoat

Iran claims it doesn't fund and supply Hezzbolla or Hamas, that it doesn't supply sophisticated IED material that kills Americans to insurgents in Iraq, I guess you believe and swallow that hook line and sinker too!

tbweb wrote:

"Good point, but Iran appears oblivious to the danger its in. Iran is about to be attacked from many sources, Israel, the U.S. and now Britain. Iran is playing with fire, writing checks its a-s-s can't cash! The Iranians had better rope Ahmadinejad in before its too late. Saying the U.S. wargames were fake is another provocation that may provoke the U.S. into demonstrating just how fake those execrcises were not! Iran is the one thats stupid if you ask me!"

I don't think Iran is oblivious, I think they are just seeing how far they can push before something happens.

But they aren't stupid either.

The Brits will get their folks back, but it will be in a situation where Iran will be perceived to be holding all the cards.

Is this stupid? Absolutely, but remember that we have also played this game before - from both positions.

Saying the wargames were fake doesn't mean anything. It's Iran's version of schoolyard name calling and it doesn't mean anything.

It also doesn't even warrant a response - militarily or otherwise.

Let them play their games.

With the situation we have found ourselves in in Iraq, any military force will have to be swift and decisive - with no massive ground troops.

The question is - what happens if the Shiites in Iraq decide to stand up for their friends the Iranians?

How many of our troops will die there?

Iran *could* be trying to lead us into a situation where we will not easily be able to get out of - many times worse then Iraq.

[tbweb]

--mcdazz

So if an Iranian fell off its ship on the Iraq side of the water and was drowning, do the Iranians save their ship mate or let him drown because they can't cross the water line to save them? Common sense is not too common is it?

[grazinggoat]

Of course Iran will tell its population America didn't conduct wargames so it doesn't have to explain why the U.S. conducted them 12 miles from its coastal waters and it did nothing about it since Iran recognizes more than 12 miles. Iran is blowing smoke but I see through it, too bad you don't.
Posted by tbweb

-As one can expect such an answer from a blinded follower sheep, I'm really disappointed you give ALL the credit to someone who has already proved to just lie. Nothing he has said was delivered until now. All he does is in direct opposition to what he said... remarkable, miserable failure!

tbweb wrote:

"Even local Police are authorized to pursue and continue a chase outside its normal jurisdiction if a crime is in progress. Iran is playing games with technicalities and ignoring realities."

Don't fall into the trap of applying local laws to international situations - they are two completely different situations and circumstances.

Regardless of what you or I perceive to be the law doesn't necessarily make it so - and especially so when in the case of UN Mandates and even more so in the case of International borders/boundaries.

Does Mexico have the right to chase a murderer into the United States without permission from the United States?

No.

[tbweb]

--grazinggoat

Irans national slogan is Death-To-America! Iran is America's sworn enemy by state policy! Iran has much propaganda going on, I simply don't believe anything Iran says, but you can, thats just me! Of course Iran will tell its population America didn't conduct wargames so it doesn't have to explain why the U.S. conducted them 12 miles from its coastal waters and it did nothing about it since Iran recognizes more than 12 miles. Iran is blowing smoke but I see through it, too bad you don't.

[fascistusa]

Can you say False Flag boys and girls?

I knew you could!!!

Lord Bush is in trouble. Blair is in trouble. The Israeli Prime Minister is in trouble.

I smell WAR!!! Time to take your attention off the FASCISTS.

[tbweb]

--mcdazz

Good point, but Iran appears oblivious to the danger its in. Iran is about to be attacked from many sources, Israel, the U.S. and now Britain. Iran is playing with fire, writing checks its a-s-s can't cash! The Iranians had better rope Ahmadinejad in before its too late. Saying the U.S. wargames were fake is another provocation that may provoke the U.S. into demonstrating just how fake those execrcises were not! Iran is the one thats stupid if you ask me!

tbweb wrote:

"Understand this, the Iranians saw these Royal Navy sailors carry out their inspection functions on other ships. Iran knew the British were authorized to inspect ships under a U.N. mandate. Why would Iran suddenly decide on this occasion that the British were up to no good and capture them after allowing the British to operate freely in the past? The main point is if a ship is carrting illegal cargo, is that ship now safe once it enters Iranian waters. Even local Police are authorized to pursue and continue a chase outside its normal jurisdiction if a crime is in progress. Iran is playing games with technicalities and ignoring realities."

Firstly, I didn't say that what Iran did was right.

Secondly, UN Mandates are very specific in what they can and can't do. There are guidelines that need to be followed.

Whether or not the Iranians "saw" the Brits doing their duty is beside the point.

IF (and that is a big IF) the Brits were in Iranian territory, then the Iranians had the option of allowing them to go about their business or intervening.

In this instance, they intervened.

My personal opinion is that they were stupid to do so, and are responsible for the actions that follow.

Perhaps they did it to prove a point, as we have done on many occasions.

[grazinggoat]

Now you're using Iran as a reliable source of information? Iran has a bridge it wants to sell you too and its in pretty good shape! LOL
Posted by tbweb

-we have a president by the name of George Walking-Liar Bush, and God hez,s good at that...eh!... anything to add?

[tbweb]

--grazinggoat

Now you're using Iran as a reliable source of information? Iran has a bridge it wants to sell you too and its in pretty good shape! LOL

[tbweb]

Osama bin Laden took credit for 911. I think that ends the fake argument and puts the icing on the cake! Unless of course Osama bin Laden used aluminum planes and was in on it with the U.S.! I don't think so!

[grazinggoat]

US Wargame in Persian Gulf is False

Tehran, March 28--Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps on Wednesday dismissed rumors that the US had staged wargames in the Persian Gulf.

"Based on the IRGC observations in the region over recent days, the US forces have not staged any military exercise," said IRGC navy commander Rear Admiral Tangsiri while denying a US navy commander's claim that the US had launched an unusual and unprecedented wargame in Persian Gulf, involving 100 navy aircraft....

-tbweb: how do you explain this...
here's the link.
http://www.alalam.ir/english/en-NewsPage.asp?newsid=009030120070328211427

Are we told another big lie by Walking-Liar?

[tbweb]

--grazinggoat

What you consider unstable and changing views is just me being sarcastic and having a little fun, it seems you take everything at face value, I'm not always serious here, you have to lighten up a little, I do! Anyway with modern technology and graphics editing, anything is possible, who really knows for sure, but I don't think 911 was fake. Too many died, too many suffered and I don't think our government would stoop that low, I really don't.

[tbweb]

--mcdazz

Understand this, the Iranians saw these Royal Navy sailors carry out their inspection functions on other ships. Iran knew the British were authorized to inspect ships under a U.N. mandate. Why would Iran suddenly decide on this occasion that the British were up to no good and capture them after allowing the British to operate freely in the past? The main point is if a ship is carrting illegal cargo, is that ship now safe once it enters Iranian waters. Even local Police are authorized to pursue and continue a chase outside its normal jurisdiction if a crime is in progress. Iran is playing games with technicalities and ignoring realities.