Comments on: Blair Warns Iran On Fate Of Seized Sailors

British Prime Minister Denies Claim That 15 U.K. Sailors And Marines Were In Iranian Waters

[caldwellptr]

I may have my history wrong, but .... haven't the Iranians been nursing a grudge (against the British and by extension the U.S.) ever since their elected government was overthrown and the Shah was installed to facilitate oil development?

And everyone knows the Middle East is all about grudges. The only thing odd is that this grudge isn't over a 1000 years old.

And didn't U.S. mistrust of Iran(and Iranian civilization's breakdown) come about when it held the U.S. diplomatic corps hostage for over 450 (?) days during their "Islamic" revolution?

[jdweymouth]

mdc76082:

who exactly are you referring to?

[lars008-2009]

hassan exposes the moderate islam myth!!!!!

The Network
Hassan Butt Tells Bob Simon Killing In The Name Of Islam Is A "Cancer"

(CBS) British police this week arrested three British Muslims in connection with the 2005 bombings on the London subway system in which 52 people were killed.

The world was shocked when the four suicide bombers blew themselves up that morning, especially when it turned out that they were British citizens. The four had been recruited to what is called the "Network," a web of radical Islamic organizations loosely affiliated to al Qaeda which has turned Britain into the western world%u2019s richest breeding grounds for terrorists. How did this happen?

60 Minutes correspondent Bob Simon met someone who knows. And for the first time he spoke about what it was like to be inside that network for ten years. His name is Hassan Butt. He%u2019s only 26 years old, but some of the people he recruited were a lot younger than that.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/23/60minutes/main2602308.shtml?source=RSSattr=60Minutes_2602308#ccmm

[jdweymouth]

mdc76082:

Thanks. What you said is exactly what I've been trying to get across to those I was arguing with. You saying it with experience makes it even more clear.

[mdc76082]

Not that this is relevant to the article, but I've been seeing alot of this lately, and not just on cbsnews.com, but all over:
Why do conservative bloggers always seem to use liberal user name when they post? I mean, if you think about, it's a pretty dumb thing to do. Your views & ideals come out in the open anyway, so why try to hide behind a liberal user name. It's just stupid.

[mdc76082]

jdweymouth, I agree with you. Who ever the post(s) was from it so misinformed. I spent 25yrs in the Navy on a variety of ship classes. It is very easy to be overtaken by any vessel, without even realizing what's just happened. Being in a zodiac type boat, a larger boat can approach, overtake and capture you in a matter of seconds. I was on a minesweeper for years and we missed mines, even with the most sophisticated of sonar and electronics. Hey, it happens. So, jdweymouth you have nothing to worry about. The real idiot is the one who left you the posts. Maybe if he'd come off the armchair and quit Q-backing from it he'd gain alot more knowledge. Take care.

[truthword]

Thanks William, the problems you mention are pretty much prevalent worldwide, I've never been to Iran but I really doubt most Iranians are actually bad people, you're right it's the leader that causes the problems, the same rings true in our own country, it isn't that my fellow Americans are bad people, we're mostly good people, but we suffer from bad leaders as well... Now as far as Iraq goes, Saddam Hussein was a bad leader, as is George W. Bush or his predecessor Bill Clinton and almost all those before them, but I wouldn't want any foreign military invading and occuping my country under the false pretense of to rid us of our bad leaders either.

My fellow Americans need to stop being manipulated by the government, their mass media and their false religion of mindless consumerism. I'm a Christian but I don't agree with most of the churches either, the government paid them off to keep the truth from their congregations, and I sincerely never once believed that George W. Bush has ever been a "born again Christian" he just said that stuff to cause hate against true Christians, throughout history satanists have posed as men of god in order to fool the flocks and deceive the masses, he's definitely not a good shepherd. They've practically turned our great nation into the new Babylon....

[williamwfh]

In reply to:

"I agree with you William, don't you also agree that we have these problems ourselves right here in our own country? Shouldn't we be taking care of our own people and our own problems before we think we can "fix" the rest of the world? We can't even fix our own problems with our own corrupt government and institutions right here at home, what makes us think we can fix theirs?"

I think my last statement fits very well into our thoughts.

Our nation is in deep trouble and needs repairing.

S/F
William

[williamwfh]

The leadership of Iran I have come to dislike him for his inability to genuinely progress his peoples. He is now nothing more than a slave to his ideals which are personal, and his profession as an engineer. He is not a statesmen capable of standing on his own two feet. He is constantly monitored and interrupted by his following members, or they make adjustments to his clothing during interviews. He simply does not have control of his government, or his own life.

The united forces in the middle east are no becoming targets, and our government is their only for the purposes of holding up their government. Neither those governments%u2019 nor the Iranian government want us out. Why, because we are nothing more than toys for their martyrs to attack. Those governments over there are mainly terrified if we leave, so leaves our dollars that goes into their communities. Their statements of wanting us out, and a time-table is a hoax. In reality they do not want us out anymore than any state in the United States would want a military base to close.

He American military is put under a rule of engagement that is near that of a police officer in any U.S. city.

S/F
William

[truthword]

I agree with you William, don't you also agree that we have these problems ourselves right here in our own country? Shouldn't we be taking care of our own people and our own problems before we think we can "fix" the rest of the world? We can't even fix our own problems with our own corrupt government and institutions right here at home, what makes us think we can fix theirs?


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No Johnny and Susan Islam is not evil, it governments and industries are mislead so the people cannot grow and develop as the rest of the world. They are rich, and they are poor. They are haves and have nots. They are educated and left, and they have educated and remained in place to abuse their people in many instances, and for those who try and make a advancing community difference, they die, or are in other ways smothered.

S/F
William Posted by WilliamWFH at 09:01 PM : Mar 25, 2007
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[williamwfh]

I had to leave for a few hours and when i returned this was the reply to posting. is this the best we Americans can do on this most important matter?

S/F
William

Ignorance, Religious totalitarianism is EVIL. In Iran and in the United States. If I were president I would bomb 20 nuclear targets, 20 government targets and 20 religious targets. Then give them an ultimatum. Let the international community inspect completely your supposed peacefull targets, or suffer another 20-20-20 attack. Then repeat the ultimatum and if no adeguate response, repeat the 20-20-20. ... Posted by Kaliveotin at 09:21 PM : Mar 25, 2007
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No Johnny and Susan Islam is not evil, it governments and industries are mislead so the people cannot grow and develop as the rest of the world. They are rich, and they are poor. They are haves and have nots. They are educated and left, and they have educated and remained in place to abuse their people in many instances, and for those who try and make a advancing community difference, they die, or are in other ways smothered.

S/F
William Posted by WilliamWFH at 09:01 PM : Mar 25, 2007
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[themooniac]

You know the reason the Brits captured got caught by surprise? Because they are like the majority of posters on this board. They just could not believe the Iranians were serious about this $hit. Thats exactly how they got captured. People posting on this board better wake up and face the facts less they become prisoners also, in a matter of speaking. Someone along the line in the British miltary chain of command's career will end over this but, hey, wake the F*ck up people, we are in a war. Take heed and don't let it happen to you.

[superpat180]

Nothing could be finer than some mushroom clouds over Tehran and Bushe-ra
In the Morning...

and with Pelosi strapped to one as it descends on the garbage dump known as Iran.

[themooniac]

15Juliet, 13Papa by the way......

[themooniac]

people think it's easy to communicate over a radio...like civilians see on television....if you think it's easy to communictae over the radio in a combat situation you are DEAD, DEAD, DEAD wrong... you have to get all the secure devices to work together and that takes a lot of work. The scrambling devices have to be on the same page and weather can play a big part....enough of the Oliver Stone conspiracy $hit. If you spent a day in the military you would know the deal.....

[jdweymouth]

Re: "jdweymouth, your a complete idiot."

Very original. Did you think that one up on your own, or did your control do it for you?

Re: "I will put you in the same ******** bandwagon bush has all of his followers on."

I'm not a "Bush follower": I jsu happen to agree with a lot of his policies. There are many things he does that make me angry, but first and foremost: he's a nationalist, and so am I.

Re: "How and why would 15 sailors get approached by a HUGE Iranian Vessel and the Sailors not be able to send a SOS to their commanders or any one else of authority for any sort of emergency help."

Maybe because it wasn't a HUGE vessel: there wre patrol motor boats. Larger than the inflatable boats to be sure, and had much larger crews. They surprised them, and took them away at gun point. The sailors, and marines may have decided not to fight back to avoid an international incident. I would have shot back, and it would have been justified, however, I'm not going to judge them: they were there; I wasn't.

Re: "If you believe what they say happened really happend, your an idiot and my argument is over with you no matter what other degrading comments you might have for me."

First off, who is "they"? Second of all, you're argument is baselss, and I've easily countered it. So, my first assertion stand: you're a crazed hate-filled traitor.

[themooniac]

No matter what the Iranians continue to isolate themnselves, to the benefit of the truth, and the reason that is happening is Iran is an outlaw regime. Not an outlaw nation. I can't speak for the intentions of it's people, perhaps it's just a point in history where two knuckleheaded leaders, are causing a catstrophre for each of their respective peoples and the rest of the world. God, Allah protect us all....

[azman80]

jdweymouth, your a complete idiot. Matter a fact, for that comment you just made, I will put you in the same ******** bandwagon bush has all of his followers on. How and why would 15 sailors get approached by a HUGE Iranian Vessel and the Sailors not be able to send a SOS to their commanders or any one else of authority for any sort of emergency help. Its a setup to go after Iran. If you believe what they say happened really happend, your an idiot and my argument is over with you no matter what other degrading comments you might have for me. I wont argue with an idiot.

[emhawks]

To jdweymouth: I would never think of Iran as a "victim".
Is this a "set-up"? I don't know. I do know, considering the track record of the Bush/Cheney adm. & what has happen in America in the last (7)yrs. & the way Bush & Cheney feel about Iran, that I would be extremely suspicious of any unusual (or disasterous) occurrence(s) as possibly being perpetrated (or "orchestrated") for Bush/Cheney to use as justification to attack Iran. As I said in my previous post, the Bush/Cheney adm. has never planned for America's troops to leave the Mid-East; there was never an exit strategy.
For the record, my political party is Independent & I'm not a conspiracy theroist, but a concerned American citizen. God bless America!

[jdweymouth]

azman80:

It's a lie because you're so crazed with hate of George Bush that if something he says might be right, you're willing to lie, or plant the seeds of conspiracy simply to disprove him, or satisfy your childish, psychotic hatred.