Comments on: 45 Nations Form Anti-Global Warming Body

Big-Time Polluters United States, China And India Did Not Join Organization

[gwlafayette]

the people that most at fault are the people that breed uncontrolably

[shrade-2009]

Trying to reduce polution by cutting down on fusil oils and etc... won't do a thing only will waist trillions of dollars that could be used to feed and actually fix and help other people, all jumping into doing small things that won't do a thing.And they keep talkin about see lvl rising and etc...it was risin for the last 6k years since last ice age long before humans were doin anything to polute air, and even if all stop producin co2 somehow see lvl and temp will keep on rising. They should actually find a way to do something usefull before waistin those trillions of dollars on nothing.

[reasnmclucus]

When is the IPCC going to employ real scientists instead of those who believe that minor atmospheric gases like CO2 (0.038% of the atmosphere) have some type of magical power to control atmospheric temperature? At the very least the IPCC should employ people who know something about basic math.

The reliance on looking at only the high and low temperatures of each day may actually be minimizing the amount of heat energy change on earth. Real scientists would look at all temperatures not just highs and lows. For example, melting of snow/ice depends more upon the amount of time the temperature is above freezing rather than the average temperature.

If humans are causing climatic change the more likely actions involve the terracalories (terra = trillion) of heat energy produced each day and changing the thermal characteristics of the landscape. A terracalorie of heat would be able to raise the temperature of 5 terra grams of air by 1 C.

Forests and farm fields convert solar energy into the chemical bonds of carbon molecules rather than becoming hotter. Asphalt parking lots convert solar radiation into heat energy to warm the surrounding area.




Scientists have already proved that urban heat islands may be 10 F or more above surrounding rural areas.

[volkswagen6]

Ignore the "%u2013". It was a long dash in the original artical.

[volkswagen6]

From a news article in January.

"According to the most recent United Nation's statistics, the United States' progress in managing greenhouse gas emissions through voluntary measures is relatively better than many European Union (EU) nations %u2013 despite mandatory EU reduction targets set under the Kyoto Protocol."

And then later in the article

"The latest data released by the United Nations (UN) Framework Convention on Climate Change shows that from 2000 to 2004, U.S. carbon dioxide emissions increased 2.1 percent, while emissions of EU Kyoto Protocol signatories increased 4.5 percent. (The Kyoto Protocol amends the UN Framework, an international treaty on climate change, by assigning mandatory targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions to signatory nations.)"

I'd like to give you the link to the article, but it doesn't appear to be available anymore. I was shocked when I read it, because all we hear on the news is that the US is the bad guy, because we aren't signed on to Kyoto. Looks like the data shows we aren't doing as bad a job as everyone wants us to believe.

[rheola-2009]

JDWeymouth

God wil be willing [if there is one]
We appear to be as one on New Guinea,
but you do seem to waffle from there on.I shall not bother waiting for the second instalment, have to go out, not to the pub. but to visit family.

Goodbye and God bless.

[jdweymouth]

In regard to global warming-

I don't want the U.S. to bow to the wishes of a foreign power. We would do that if signed the Kyoto accords. The U.S. deals with its problems in its own way. We will look for cleaner, more efficient, and renewable energy. We will not sign an accord surrendering our sovereignty. If you want your country to do that: it's morally wrong. Conservatives are nationalists: a trait appallingly lacking in liberals. We (conservatives) believe in our countries more than peace and cooperation. You (liberals) believe in peace at any cost, including your integrity and pride.

Global warming, many scientists believe, is a hoax, and I agree partly. I don't believe in the human element, and I don't believe we're in mortal danger. I, essentially, believe "global warming" is natural.

[jdweymouth]

rheola: (last 2 posts-God willing)

RE: You would do well to read of the history of ww2.

I'm sick of hearing that. I have an extensive knowledge of ww2. I know, for example, that American support was vital on New Guinea. Yes, Australians were mainly responsible for the defeat of the Japanese. However, when I was referring to us rescuing us, I meant Coral Sea. Had we not fought there, Australia would have been in very much trouble. Also, we were the main suppliers to Australia during the war. A lot of our sailors died in Coral Sea. Anyway, don't blame us for your woes on New Guinea: blame the British Empire for dragging your troops off to North Africa when they were needed at home.

I didn't say you should adopt American culture: I said you should give the "warmongers" their dues.

Fine, you don't want the U.S. to fall. Instead you want us to be good little world citizens, and you want our military to be one big peacekeeping force. -Continued-

[rheola-2009]

As for your ascertation that it is my wish that the United States would fall, again a totally ridiculous statement, I along with at least 90% of my countrymen know full well that would lead to a catatrophic situation in this world, but I will say, that the United Nations should have been given more time to find a possible solution in Iraq.
And the lies that were used by Bush and his cohorts to obtain the excuse to invade Iraq were nothing but reprehensible, where are those WMD's and why is the danger of terrorism so much greater throughout the world.
Before you jump on that one I consider myself an Atheist.

I could go on ad infinitum however for what use.
We should soon finish this exchange, I thank you for ceasing your insults, they were not helpful to rational debate
Iwish you all the best.
olgreyghost
Ithink we are generally in agreement

[rheola-2009]

JDWeymouth

My overated opinion was referring to you my dear fellow
You would do well to read of the history of ww2.

In New Guinea, where in fact the japanese ground troops were turned around, the only help we got from your troops were some who took the longest possible means of arriving at Buna to relieve the 42nd battallian AIF, and did not arrive until after the action, which was the first defeat of the japanese on foreign soil in the pacific,and for which your General MaCarthur, wrongly took credit, after doing all in his power to thwart the inititives of the A.I.F. true you navy was very responsible for the winning of the coral sea battle, and is to be certainly commended for that, and the following advance to Japan
As a smaller Pacific nation, we have no alternative but to look to America , and to slip under it's umbrella, but that does not mean we have to jump to attention for everything American.
More to follow

[olgreyghost]

rheola:

The only thing we have to work from in guessing about the future is the past and we can observe that some things work in cycles and one of those is the abusive power of government based on government-approved and government-perpetuating science. It's not stupidity to propose that there are despots and tyrants, or even mobs who consider themselves victims, who will kill the masses in the name of this science because they have always done it that way in the past.

To keep doing things the same way over and over (like trusting government to solve all our problems) and each time expecting different results fits the definition of insanity.

[jdweymouth]

rheola: My heritage is British! How did you know?!

[jdweymouth]

rheola: If you mean by "overrated opinion", you mean the U.S. Yes, Americans think very much of our country because we have a reason to. WE defeated the Soviet Union; WE conquered Iraq with very minimal casualties. Did you know in this present Iraq War we reached Baghdad with fewer casualties than in the first war?

What has Australia done other than been rescued by the U.S. in WW2? N-o-t-h-i-n-g. Your country sticks with us because, without us, Australia is nothing! Yes, Australia is an industrialized country, yes, Australia is a wealthy country, but you need to guard that wealth.

It's Yorktown, not Jamestown. Also, without the French we would have won, but it would have taken maybe an extra year. The French complicated issues more than they helped in our revolution.

Your dream is obviously for the United States to fall. If that happened, let me assure you, you'd have far more immediate problems than global warming. If the U.S. fell: there would be a second dark age. Without the U.S.: most of the world's wealth, technology, and military power to defend third-rate countries like yours would be gone; the world would descend into utter chaos.

The truth hurts.

[rheola-2009]

JDWeymouth

Your ignorance is showing you for what you are, certainly in the other site
Your insults are as water off a ducks back, as you have shown they come from a fool, most likely of British heritage.

[rheola-2009]

JDWeymouth

The truth hurts does it not, particuarly to people who have an overrated opinion of themselves

[jdweymouth]

rheola:
Nobody's interested in what an Australian squirt like you says. Go home.

vivaviva80: I don't know what you are, but learn to speak English. Until you do: stay off the threads.

[rheola-2009]

Sharncedar

What a sick defeatist attitude.

When it is all said and done, you and I are foreigners in our own countries, like your forebears, mine also murdered,pillaged and raped the original inhabitants of our respective countries, to at least my eternal shame, as I unlike some others regard myself at least as an equal to all, but certainly not superior to any, we in the past have all seen the result of peoples regarding themselves as superior, eventually those people fall by the wayside, history is littered with them, from ancient times to the present

I might also point out, that if it were not for some of your foreigners, [The French] Washington would most probably been defeated at ,was it Jamestown.
I am not French, or of French descent.

You show your ignorance of this country. like your own people, we have a few,[very few]who put their booze before all else.

It is true it helps to have courage to die like a man, but to many fools die from false courage.

[sharncedar]

And anyway, what's the big deal about global warming. We're all going to die anyway, and it will be unpleasant however it happens. We've lost our culture and our souls to globalization anyhow, and our country is overrun by foreigners. What's the big deal, have some courage and die like a man. Remember Davy Crockett, laughing and dying in the Alamo. We've lost the Alamo, let's die like men here in America, from global warming is fine with me. And too bad for Australia, I guess this will mess up your beer parties. Here's a tear ... not.

[sharncedar]

" This global warming can in time be overcome by rational debate by the scientists and leaders of all countries working together"

How exactly? Will the developing countries stop burning coal and oil? How will you make them, given they have nuclear weapons and refuse any cooperation with the West? It's not a realistic concept. All that it seems is being proposed is for the US to be curtailed, probably the poorest people in the US (the rich will purchase greenhous "exchange points" or something). Meanwhile the outlaw nations will get the rest of the oil and burn it like crazy.

This sounds so much like typical Democrat garbage. They set out to cure a global problem, like hunger or poverty, and end up with a small, ridiculous, and limited program that costs billions and helps only a few of their cronies. Free college educations, Clinton promises, and delivers cheap loans to a few thousand of his own friends and supporters, higher tuition and taxes for the rest of us. Free medical care, touts Hillary, and delivers free care for Hispanic illegals, with the rest of us paying much more for worse and more limited and rationed care.

The Democrats and liberals of the world never dleiver anything, though they talk big. They set out to move mountains, and end up with hernias from a teaspoon of dirt.

[rheola-2009]

olgreyghost

It appears to me you are purposely missing the point and going on to the absolutely ridiculous, This global warming can in time be overcome by rational debate by the scientists and leaders of all countries working together, this I realize sounds as a pipe dream, but maybe one day such will happen.
Nothing will ever happen with such irrational statements as I have just read.
The motor mower bit, how bloody stupid.
And to resort to the mention of those creatures from the past is beyond belief for any rational thinker, under the circumstances.