Comments on: Qaeda No. 2: U.S. Talks With Wrong People

Zawahiri Says America Must Negotiate With 'Real Powers' In Iraq

[gunnerv1]

The only time you "talk" to the enemy is when they want to surrender

[jimibear]

Notblue, I'm really sort of disappointed in you, as your first post was so reasonably put. I was hoping for a real debate, not an exchange of insults. I'm secure enough in what I think that I'm always open to learning.

On that note, you might consider that every war has elements of greed, lies and opportunism, including your example of WWII. If you "got a clue" of your own, you'd learn that the US ignored repeated warnings of an attack on Pearl Harbor, because they needed a way to galvanize the people into war. Likewise, you'd learn that Prescott Bush (GW's grandfather) had 3 companies seized under the Trading With the Enemy Act, because they were supplying oil and ball bearings (two staples of mechanized warfare) to Nazi Germany.

Likewise, the US used the sinking of the Maine (later determined to be either an accident or actually engineered by the US) as an excuse to delare war on Spain and seize Cuba.

Again in Cuba (and this just came out recently in de-classified documents) a group of senior brass approached Kennedy with a plan in 1961 to fake an attack on Guantanemo Bay and kill a bunch of US servicemen to justify an invasion. To his credit, JFK told them to pi$$ up a rope.

In closing: a lot goes on that you will miss if you don't beother to do some reading before forming your ideas. Don't confuse your own ignorance with that of others.

[bluestardad]

I also have had business dealings with the family of one of the guys in the Afghanistan Jail!

[jtdavies3]

I don't see anything in this article that would make me believe that Zawahiri is still alive.

I have movies of my grandmother - doesn't make her alive either.

[bluestardad]

Slant Drilling continued:

Why then are American Tax Dollars and the lives of our troops being used to keep this war going on while at the same time promoting and supporting the theft of this Iraqi Oil by its neighbors? This oil and the profits generated are going to line the pockets of a variety of persons at various levels. Like the Oil for Food Scandal in scope this scandal has greater implications as the American people are paying for this theft with the lives of their children and hard earned tax dollars with the full knowledge of the United Nations, media, and political leadership. Please help in bringing these people who permitted and perpetrated this theft to light of Justice.

[bluestardad]

Associated Press: Reports Slant Drilling

Here is one of many articles that support the claim of the Oil being stolen from Iraq during the chaos of this war. This theft of oil was the reason for start for the last gulf war. Please note as before this theft was brought to the attention of the United Nations, America, and the neighboring countries of Iraq. No one in the United Nations or American Media or Leadership is addressing this pivotal issue and as you can see it has been brought to the attention of all parties involved.

Iraqis Accuse Kuwait of Stealing Oil
By BASSEM MROUE, Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, August 2, 2005
(08-02) 12:48 PDT BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) --
Iraqi legislators accused Kuwait of stealing their oil as well as chipping away at their national territory on the border %u2014 allegations similar to those used by Saddam Hussein to justify his invasion of Kuwait that began 15 years ago Tuesday.
An Iraqi delegation was scheduled to head to Kuwait on Wednesday discuss the incidents along the Kuwaiti border
"There have been violations such as digging horizontal oil wells to pump Iraq oil," legislator Jawad al-Maliki, chairman of the parliament's Security and Defense Committee, told the National Assembly on Tuesday.

[bluestardad]

notblue; do you or your children serve? or are you a paid right wing hack like Jane, and bushrocks1?

[getcentered]

Al-Zawahiri is just jealous that he's not considered for diplomatic meetings. Auhhh.....

Al-Zawahiri actually didn't SAY anything in his statement, and he speaks as if he or his groups are people you can find. THESE GUYS ARE PURE COWARDS. The only negotiating I'd do with this guy is negotiating him into a coffin.

[jimibear]

As a side note: I am not a left-winger at all. My biggest historical hero is Winston Churchill; hardly a conciliator, I think you'll agree. I have every interest in defending my country, which is why I deplore the current (and previous) administrations' efforts to find ways to go to war whenever they can.

People who bash others' ideas without providing any basis for their own other than sloganeering and direly misplaced patriotism are not doing anyone any good. Notblue1, it seems pretty clear you have a brain. It would be nice if you'd use it more thoughtfully.

[jimibear]

What effort am I undermining, notblue1? The effort to squander our tax dollars and the lives of our military in an unwinnable war which will have no good effects, short or long term, whatsoever? It will lead to an endless state of semi-declared war with about 1/3 of the planet's population, eventually the bankrupting of this country, and the utter ruination of our foreign relations with friend and foe alike. It will also make a handful of people very rich.

That seems to be the effort at hand, and yes, I will do whatever I can to undermine that.