Comments on: Chinese Sub Came Close To U.S. Ships

Navy Commander Says Close Encounter Could Have Triggered 'Unforeseen' Incident

[rocinante6]

mibrooks27:

Please point me to any (reputable) source on the "5000 cases" statement or the "stolen B-2 plans" statement. I'm very interested.

Your assessment of businesses sometimes putting profit ahead of security or other national interests is accurate if a little, um, one-sided.

Surely you don't mean to imply that Democrats never do this sort of thing, because if you did, you'd be wrong.

After all, who was it who moved the authority for technology transfer from the State Department to Commerce (which is how a Loral Aerospace, big contributor to guess-which political party, was able to give the Chinese access to our most advance missile guidance systems)? Who took (illegal) campaign contributions laundered from the Chinese intelligence services? Who looked the other way when our Japanese allies sold prohibited precision machine tools to the Russians, allowing them to make super-quiet submarine screws?

In the end, I think a hypocrite who sells out his country part of the time - and knows it's wrong - is better than someone who honestly sells out his country as a matter of policy.

I miss "Scoop" Jackson.

[navy36]

Despite the media saying it was in torpedo range, there are no 5 mile torpedoes. Missiles, yea very bad news to fire one of those harpoon types, the sub would have to activate it%u2019s radar for a fix and alert the entire fleet. Odds are he would probably hit a picket. Overall, not a good situation, but the Ticonderoga class ships could blind it with the radar array at max power. Worst case if it got by the pickets, the anti radar jamming, the massive chafe screen that every ship would launch, the Harms and Seasprarows that would auto launch from the destroyers it would still have to get by every ship's Phalanx 20mm hail storm and the SeaRAM anti ship missile defense system.
Also, stalking the carrier group? The Song Class is Diesel, so at best the sub was sitting and waiting for the fleet to pass by. Carrier fleets turn 20 plus knots just cruising and the song can make 3 quiet or 6 knots noisy underwater-so stalking is out. I think this puppy just popped up to charge his batteries and probably had a stroke as a carrier fleet passed by, after all you can not see 5 miles through a periscope.
That being said, they will hang the Commander and I hope he enjoys his final station at the Aleutian Islands Weather station.
Sadly, I am sure the story took liberty with the Naval report, and I am sure that the Naval report presented worst case so some Admiral who couldn't drive a motor launch, could cover his rear end at the Pentagon.

[aswtech]

This incident has little to do with guest workers, stolen data or espionage. It was the systematic gutting of our ASW capabilities after the perceived Russian submarine threat was no more. How many S-3's are left on carrier decks for ASW? What about the H-60 mission and how it has grown to much more than inner zone carrier protection and ASW? How many new anti-submarine warfare operators have actual on-top contact time with a live submarine? The lists goes on and on some of the choices were budget driven to recapitalize the inventory of aging aircraft and systems. This highly perishable skill can not be reconstituted overnight it takes years to develop these skills. We need to wake up to the threat in Asia.

[mibrooks27]

bizzzz - Having observed U.S. intelligence work AND having worked on several military contract, I think it is more likely that your Republican business owners either sold the information to the Chinese or, mre likely, a chea Indian or Chinese guest worker here on an H1-B visa stole the information. And, by the way, there were more than 5000 cases of espiagage last year alone by Indian and Chinese H1-B workers. The stle, for example, the plans for the B2 bomber (the stealth technology, propulsion system, everything..and thayt underwater guided missile system recently tested by Iran? That was ours and also stole and sold to the Iranian's by an Indian "guest worker"). All of this while 25% of U.S. born engineers are unemployed! In their never ending search for cheap labor, our Republican corporate chief's don't know the meaning of patriotism. We need to tax the snot out of companies that offshore jobs and flat out ban any and all H1-B workers.

[bizzzz-2009]

Has somebody called Senator Feinstein and Al Gore and asked why their buddies are tracking our carriers?

[connapa]

With the current situation in North Korea, there will undoubtedly be more naval forces of multiple countries patrolling that stretch of waterway. All it would take is the accidental loss of any one vessel to trigger WWIII, especially with nuclear powers involved.
I know that since the Cuban Missile Crisis, there has been a hot line to the Kremlin open 24/7. I just hope we have had the wisdom to do the same with China.

[alrudy2005]

we should've blown their *** off and show them to never get close again lol

[delta5243]

thank god